Nicholas Gianakakis Posted over 2 years ago An atheist is still in a theist paradigm. Isaac, I think that a Friday afternoon may have prompted less understanding on my part. So I apologise for that. Yes it seems a lot clearer in the way you've laid it out here. So i thank you for your time in laying out an ugly bag of snakes for a simple man such as myself. Surely the point of categorisation isn't to restrict in itself. However has taken on negative connotations for the way they have been used? In that case is it not those applying the categorisations rather than the category's themselves? I agree that it is silly to be proud of that which you don't care about. But in my own group of friends I can't say I know any that would accept themslves as part of a category unless they wanted to. It may be differeing cultures here? I understand your point that we should be careful about continuing to classify without grounds. (If it can be said that way). However, picking up on your last point here, shouldn't categories allow us as a species something to be proud of? For example, your religious leanings or country of origin? Prehaps the world could become a little happier if humans had more to be proud of. Taking negative connotations of categories and turning them on their head? For example, there are many negative stereotypes concerning Jewish people. Some right-wing/anti-semetic people (Another category for you!?) would say they were money grabbing. I would say they are fastidious? @Orlando - I guessed it was a response, as you replied to the stub. Was it not rude of you to point this out in such a condescending way? I would also ask how you cannot have enlightened debate without proof? And before you respond with what I know will be "But he should provide proof first" I would ask that if you were to ask for proof, at least do so in a way that would not get another person's back up? If I have misread anything, please enlighten me, Orlando.