Thomas Jones

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Thomas Jones
Posted over 2 years ago
can science be linked with god?
Yes Bridget, it is easy to check facts. QUOTE: "..the facts are easy enough to verify, (such as with the origin of the Kabbala v. Bible) but not as easy as simply saying 'you're wrong.'" And while you seem to be having another meltdown, you have yet to provide one credible fact that support your claims, for example, that the Bible is a Kabbalistic training manual. As interesting as they are, your "correspondences" do not qualify as objective proof. Yes, you see correspondences, fine. But that does not alter the fact that the Bible was written hundreds of years before the Kabbalah; that no Biblical or Kabbalistic authority substantiates your claims; that, in fact, these authorities deny them. These are facts. Facts you simply ignore or counter with even more "correspondences." Bridget, I am sorry for your suffering - but it has nothing to do with me - and I am not going to ignore your posts just because you are emotionally fragile. If you post unsubstantiated claims with the authority of a "spiritual initiate" - such as your claim the Bible is a Kabbalistic training manual for the spiritual initiate - or that Santa and Saturn are one and the same - I am going to respond. If you don't want me to comment on what you write, stop making such wild and extraordinary claims ... unless you are willing to back them up with proof. And, if you would like to make this "easier" if you do make such claims, and if I do comment on them, stop making it so personal. Simply provide an answer. For example: - You could provide objective evidence the Bible is a Kabbalistic training manual (and by that I do not mean, your emphatic claim it is so, followed by more examples of "correspondences.") - You could provide a link to any credible Christian authority that supports your claim. - You could provide a link to any credible Jewish authority that supports your claim? - You could provide a link to any credible Kabbalistic authority that supports your claim? And so on.
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Thomas Jones
Posted over 2 years ago
Is there such a thing as a soul, if so how is it defined?
Peter, here's what Gary Petty (from "The Good News" magazine) has to say about it: "The Biblical Answer to Death .... the Bible plainly teaches that the dead lie in the grave and know nothing, think no thoughts, have no emotions, possess no consciousness. Does this mean death, the cessation of life, is final, the end of everything? "The Bible answers this question too. Although mankind is physical, subject to death, the good news is that God promises a resurrection to eternal life to everyone who repents, worships God and accepts Jesus as the Messiah and His sacrifice. [Now, this is all straight from the Bible so it HAS to be true] The first resurrection to immortality will take place when Christ returns to establish God's Kingdom on this earth. "Later will come another resurrection—to physical life—for people who had never had a relationship with the Father and Jesus Christ. They, too, will gain the opportunity for immortality. The true final answer is not death but resurrection." Interesting, eh, Peter, it's not the soul that is immortal but the body. I wonder how that works ... the soul is dead and the body living. Zombies! Forever!!!
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Thomas Jones
Posted over 2 years ago
can science be linked with god?
Bridget, You seem to have a slight persecution complex. You claim to do one thing and then "screech" somewhat hysterically when someone does the same thing ... ("follow the dictates of [their] heart, which tells [them] to do the right thing.") This light that you speak of would be less diminished, and burn brighter, if you refrained from your adolescent name-calling and defensiveness. (" ... I don't get thumbed up (ooh, ouch!)") Your stance - demonstrated by your behaviour - seems to be that anyone who holds a position contrary, or even orthogonally opposed to yours is somehow cognitively, morally, or "spiritually" deficient. In your guise as Kathy, you referred to Stephen Hawking as an imbecile (or some such thing) because his position on God differs from yours - you are an expert on God, doctrine and all things spiritual, while Hawking only knows about physics. "Richard Dawkins is a frustrated old man who could not advance his own field...," with the stature of Miss Piggy (and everything.) You seem to believe your position as a "spiritual initiate" elevates you above us mere mortals and affords your insights a fidelity unavailable to those of us fumbling around in the mundane reality of our barren little worlds of science, facts, and personal life experience: Santa becomes real; the Bible becomes a Kabbalistic training manual; energy passes through astrological houses (in spirals! ... or should that be helixes? ... we do live in four-dimentional spacetime after all.) And all of it is real. More real than poor Dr Hawking's scribblings on physics. More real that Dawkin's opinions on those things over which your spiritual acuity gives you special insight. More real, even, than anyone who does not share your elevated gift for metaphor and capacity for noticing "correspondences." Who can argue with correspondences once Bridget/Kathy has confirmed they corroborate a deeper spiritual truth she knows supersedes more "common" and "mundane" knowledge? I can.
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Thomas Jones
Posted over 2 years ago
can science be linked with god?
Adriann, You seem a very thoughtful and loving person; I do not think you need the guidance of a somewhat deranged 17th Century Swede who "communed" with imaginary spiritual beings living on all the, then known, planets. And this whole "freewill" thing is highly debatable; on many levels, not the least of which is neurological. There is mounting evidence our brain processes information and acts on it before we are cognizant of the data or of the resulting action. Conscious thought follows and offers a post hoc justification for what was accomplished sans "freewill." Personally, I am a freewill kind of guy but the evidence against is mounting. I agree, if something has value for you, that is justification enough for you to accept it; but that does not mean it has any objective veracity. Emanuel Swedenborg was arguably sane (some assert, not unconvincingly, he was not.) He was undoubtedly brilliant, learning Hebrew so as to reinterpret the Bible, amongst other impressive feats. My point is, a truly "enlightened" soul (if such a thing exists) would have no need of a revisioned chronicle of an archaic tribal God, in order to convey his or her message. And you, Adriaan, have no need of either the book or the intermediary. You do not need to agree with me. I do not expect you to.
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Thomas Jones
Posted over 2 years ago
Is there such a thing as a soul, if so how is it defined?
Convoluted metaphysical explanations are, no doubt, comforting Allan. When a friend of mine's spouse died (at a young age) she was so distraught she visited a past-life regression therapist who helped her "remember" eight of her past lives. She was married to the same person in all of them. And, in her daily life, any unusual experience was attributed to her dead husband's presence - a package falling off a shelf, a clock stopping, whatever. It brought her great comfort. (And she was absolutely certain it was all "real.") She engaged in such explorations for about two or three years. Seven years on, she is happily remarried and I never hear her speak of her "past lives." --- I have altered a few details to protect my friend's anonymity.
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Thomas Jones
Posted over 2 years ago
Is there such a thing as a soul, if so how is it defined?
Wiki is okay. Not too long ago, it was compared to the Encyclopaedia Britannica; it held up favourably. And as you say, the references can be pretty good. I use it as a "spell check" (I'm dyslexic) and to look up things I can't remember (like the name of the Chinese Moon Goddess, I mentioned recently.) Interestingly, religious experiences have been attributed to both exogenous and endogenous psychoactive agents. For example, Claviceps purpurea (ergot) and 3,4-Dihydroxyphenylethylamine (dopamine.) The number of religious visions dropped substantially in Europe when the use of rye flour waned and wheat and other flours became more common in the baking of bread. It was common for ergot to contaminate rye. Ergot is an hallucinogenic fungus. --- The spelling for "Claviceps purpurea" and "3,4-Dihydroxyphenylethylamine" are both from Wiki.
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Thomas Jones
Posted over 2 years ago
can science be linked with god?
Hi Johanne, I'm not following you; why would I be squirming in my seat? I agree that working with things that cannot be defined terrifies some people ... and this is not limited to just those of us with a scientific bent but it applies, at least equally, perhaps more so, to those of us who have a religious or spiritual temperament. Those of us who embrace religion (either organized or personal) often identify that which "passeth all understanding" and then immediately try to define it; to confine it to the limits of the human mind (or to the limits some imagined super-mind or super-soul. ... which, of course, has been envisioned by an average run-of-the-mill human mind. We are whole, not fragmented.) For that which cannot be known through, let's say the faculty of thought, we construct hugely elaborate cosmologies so that we may pretend to know. We create Religion, Astrology, spiritual practices, "afterlives" and so on. Which are fine, in their place. But remove the stories and the posturing and what is left? A breathing human being. And very often we seem to be afraid or angry if we do not have our stories, and our secret knowledge, to comfort us. Or if our stories are challenged.