Craig Gorsuch Posted 6 days ago Christopher Ryan: Are we designed to be sexual omnivores? Seems you're proposing a straw man argument. I ask what *system of belief* doesn't reinforce/utilize/condone shame as a means of social conditioning, and you reply that a system has no capability, but only people do. True, but your answer does nothing to prove or disprove my point: Every system of belief mandates a form of negative reinforcement in order to reinforce positive behavior and/or discourage negative behavior. Victorian era sensibilities regarding human sexuality may have started with good intentions, but I think you and I can agree there is a difference between "shame" and "prudence"/"modesty" regarding our bodies. Your talk is based on the notion that we shouldn't be ashamed of our sexuality regardless of what form it takes simply because our sexuality itself should never have shame attached to it. This is sexuality-ism, and makes a any critique of any form of sexuality verboten on account of the belief that sexual expression should never, under any circumstances, be criticized, nor examined. The only thing "wrong" in any sense is to declare anything may be "wrong". Your continuing proposals imply you disbelieve in the existence of any moral absolutes, however, you seem to believe that absolutely. Additional explanations to sway my viewpoint to yours is an example of negative reinforcement and can be considered "shaming" those outside the group. What I believe doesn't make reality any more or less "real"/"acceptable"/"abhorrent" for me than it does for you, regardless of the subjective/objective divide between us. There is an ultimate reality that we either chose to accept or we don't. Of course I realize this view is increasingly politically incorrect. Your final statements (is = I believe) imply the only reason people fought various genocidal atrocities in history (Pol Pot's killing fields, Mao's purge, Stalin's Gulags, Nazi death camps, etc...) is because of *personal* opinion and not any sense of absolute moral Right and Wrong.