May 3 2011: I think both of you have your 'proof' yet neither will take the time to look at the others book to find it.
Perhaps this is proof that we are only evolving in our minds, not yet evolved, if grown men can argue the toss with 'prove it, no you prove it' and then go lah lah lah, I'm not listening' like a 5 year old when the other says somthing the other finds distasteful.
Once upon a time, perhaps when we were furrier and lived in caves, if a man clipped to stones together and made fire, the fire was proof of his ability and a technological breakthrough- yet if we follow the authors argument, it would be man makes fire, and his friend says that was all god's work- prove to me you had a hand in making it.
I thought the idea of conversations, adn in deed of TED were to bring together brilliant minds from all around the world- a unification of ideas- not me vs you slamming of others.
May 3 2011: This talk is a beautiful reminder of the good things in humanity, forgiveness, friendship, overcoming loss hardship and heartbreak.
Its also beautifully different to many of the conversations that crop up about talks in TED- where people argue for or against god, war and morals- the two women couldnt have been further apart to begin with yet through tragedy their lives and worlds combined to make somthing far stronger then the sum of its parts.
I can only hope that the resounding lessons of their talk and friendship echos to all- we are all alike in some way, lets be (human)kind to ensure a better future for all.
Mar 14 2011: maybe plenty of people who are 'godless and proud' did stuff to help with humanity. perhaps they just did it and left the banners and whistles at home. Good things are done by good people every day, just because its nice to be nice :)
Mar 14 2011: perhaps Einstein may have unseated Newtons law... but surely that proves a valuable point to our argument, that altough one idea might have sounded exactly right at the time, that if somthing better comes along later on, and is found to be correct, that we now accept that as holding more rellavance. surely things such as the bible and quran may have been valuble tools of explanation, good ways of teaching morals and a kind of cushion to lifes nasty blows- especially in times where life expectancy was low, plague and famine commonplace. But we have moved on at least 1000 years since then- do all the old ideas still sit, and do we still really NEED them, as opposed to WANT them. And as brillaiant as Dawkins may be, and as well versed as Sam Harris may be in argument, unfortunately somtimes they do rub people up the wrong way, and give a rather millitant tone to athiesm. But thats still no real reason to throw the baby 9of their arguments) out with the bath water.
Mar 14 2011: maybe no one would rule the world.... at least that would be a start for peace!!!! Why on earth do we need a great owner to own us like animals- or dare I say it sheep. I have a funny feeling that abdel rahman siddig's ideal of what it means to be a nice, honerable decent person and my idea are quite similar, and also quite similar to the other repliers of this portion of the conversation... (so long as we all leave the 'big fella' out of it!) Im sure he thinks about those in need, encourages his family to do well, be honset, be an active part of humanity. Im sure that he hopes for a bright future, with less racism, more tollerance, less crime. However so do I (a happy little athiest) The reality is mate, we all chant of the same song book, no happy, sound of mind, normal person would aims to be an asshole. It's just there are a few books and old school myths that get in the way of some of us even discussing our similarities, we simply look from our comfortable far off vantage points and see difference.
Mar 9 2011: I could only hope that a world without religion would be one in which people talk and question each other more freely, and see shades of grey rather then black and white- with out a god on your side to 'say so' people would have to look deeper at the reasons that they do- or don't do things... traditions that are often associated with religion (F.G.M and hatred against homosexuals spring to mind) would perhaps be easier to look at more objectivly with out the god and scripture part of the argument.
Hopefully it would also be a kind of common link between different cultures- I mean, no one (witha decent 'moral compass') goes out with the idea to rape pillage and destroy surely??!! with out god(s) decency will be seen for what it is- a common human trait rather then a religiously shaped one.
It would also be about taking responsibility for your own life- It is what you shape it- or how you deal with what happens to you, rather then because the 'big fella' deems it so, and thinking about how our choices affect what we really have- the here and now, rather then relying on a cushy afterlife may make us feel different about what we eat, how we act, and what we really value.
as for how far are we away from this.... it's maybe within our reach, but definately within our sights.
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Perhaps this is proof that we are only evolving in our minds, not yet evolved, if grown men can argue the toss with 'prove it, no you prove it' and then go lah lah lah, I'm not listening' like a 5 year old when the other says somthing the other finds distasteful.
Once upon a time, perhaps when we were furrier and lived in caves, if a man clipped to stones together and made fire, the fire was proof of his ability and a technological breakthrough- yet if we follow the authors argument, it would be man makes fire, and his friend says that was all god's work- prove to me you had a hand in making it.
I thought the idea of conversations, adn in deed of TED were to bring together brilliant minds from all around the world- a unification of ideas- not me vs you slamming of others.
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Its also beautifully different to many of the conversations that crop up about talks in TED- where people argue for or against god, war and morals- the two women couldnt have been further apart to begin with yet through tragedy their lives and worlds combined to make somthing far stronger then the sum of its parts.
I can only hope that the resounding lessons of their talk and friendship echos to all- we are all alike in some way, lets be (human)kind to ensure a better future for all.
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A reply on Conversation: A world without religion, how will it really look?
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Hopefully it would also be a kind of common link between different cultures- I mean, no one (witha decent 'moral compass') goes out with the idea to rape pillage and destroy surely??!! with out god(s) decency will be seen for what it is- a common human trait rather then a religiously shaped one.
It would also be about taking responsibility for your own life- It is what you shape it- or how you deal with what happens to you, rather then because the 'big fella' deems it so, and thinking about how our choices affect what we really have- the here and now, rather then relying on a cushy afterlife may make us feel different about what we eat, how we act, and what we really value.
as for how far are we away from this.... it's maybe within our reach, but definately within our sights.