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Critical thinking instead of dogma in family and in all educational systems...

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Some Anon
Posted 10 months ago
Turkish uprising and what the world knows about it...
" the data you put up is far from a balanced/complete picture of the actuality" Can you show me your evidence that "my data" is far from a balanced/complete picture of the actuality? And if so, why would I share BBC's Q&A or the readlists with tons of links from different sources? Do you think that VICE has some secret interests in reflecting the incidents pro uprisers? (The first link I have shared in the introduction...) Do you think that exposing the human rights violations of the govt. that are barely covered by the media harms forming a satisfying picture of the reality? Would you prefer not to see those? Are you aware that what I share here is mostly content that the majority of the Turkish public can't reach because of the corruption of and the pressure on the media? Don't you think that it is very important that these things are exposed? Do you really understand what "the general population doesn't know what's happening and it doesn't even know that it doesn't know" means? My agenda is being able to live in a democratic environment where people are not oppressed because they are different than the type the PM wants to see, where every piece of nature is not sold... What exactly is your agenda with Chomsky on your profile pic but with a total anti-chomsky understanding of things?
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Some Anon
Posted 10 months ago
Turkish uprising and what the world knows about it...
"Anon Occupy claims the media in Turkey does not allow for free elections but clearly this source has presented both sides of the story." No, that is not exactly what I claim. Because of PM's totalitarianism the media (including Hurriyet) is under intense pressure (among other many non-governmental entities) which means that the majority of the people (electorate) can't get informed about the facts and incidents of their own country and they get stuck in an illusional perception and a viewpoint that are designed and constantly manipulated by the government. You are just distorting stuff to suit your view. Erdo─čan would really be proud of you. :)
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Some Anon
Posted 10 months ago
Turkish uprising and what the world knows about it...
"MOVE!". No comment... "You will find it is pretty much the same, or even worst, everywhere. " Great argument :) to legitimize PM's and his crew's wrongdoings... :) "you are not informed or informing." At your level of information and judgement about this incident you are not eligible to call me uninformed. And I think most of what I have shared here is quite informing for those who open-mindedly want to get informed. "You are reduced to insulting anyone who disagrees with your views." Yeah I know exactly what you mean: I answer kind of bitterly those who, despite all their ignorance about the incident, Turkey and the gov., speak pedantically, judgementally and impolitely...
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Some Anon
Posted 10 months ago
Turkish uprising and what the world knows about it...
"You are an anonymous source that is partial to the protesters." Exactly and so? That doesn't prove that I am intentionally deceiving people or I am an agitator. Of course I am partial to the protesters and in my opinion every sane mind should be too. In a situation like this it is irrational, unintelligent and inhumane at the same time to be partial to a government that has been systematically violating the most basic rights of its own citizens.
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Some Anon
Posted 10 months ago
Turkish uprising and what the world knows about it...
The video shows policemen beating protesters who hid in a parking garage in the Mediterranean province of Antalya. Police did not detain the protesters, but released them after using violence without any official procedure: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/video.aspx?pageID=428#.Ucm7TdfmXMQ http://youtu.be/K25hNF0Y8xY (If the first link doesn't work)
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Some Anon
Posted 10 months ago
Turkish uprising and what the world knows about it...
"You talk of 'oppressed people' yet they have a democratic election process................................. please explain with sources and facts instead of emotive dribble?" Yes. The undemocratic one... I have shared a lot of links (news, videos, etc.) where you should have understood from the "emotive dribbles" of the people what kind of an oppression we are talking about. If you are STILL not able to do that that's not my problem. Go, google, read stuff, BBC, CNN etc... I am not a news agency tailored for you. "And while your at it maybe could could enlighten us by telling us what EXACTLY entails 'basic human rights' and who's job it is to provide these 'basic human rights'?" Google for "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" and/or "European Convention on Human Rights"... I think everyone is responsible to provide these rights where necessary, especially the governments...
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Some Anon
Posted 10 months ago
Turkish uprising and what the world knows about it...
"And further let me suggest the elections in Turkey are NO more undemocratic than those held in the Western world!" No, I can't let you suggest that... :) What kind of a crooked inference is that? Firstly, "the west" is not a single entity. The political culture and the elections are not the same in US and in Europe. It is not the same process even among the EU members. Apart from this, if the elections in "the west" are not democratic enough and if the elections in Turkey are no more undemocratic than those, then, this line of thought can't lead you to the conclusion that things are ok. in Turkey. It should lead you to "the political system in the western world is quite a mess now and doesn't answer people's needs and that is quite the same case in Turkey too". Secondly, yes IT IS much more undemocratic because we don't have a free media. And you would know that or at least have questioned it if you had read my previous posts or some international media coverage about that. (Currently Turkey leads the list of countries which put journalists in jail.) And I guess you know what it is impossible to talk about when the media is not free? "Also suggest that when people start pedaling 'empathy' as a valid reason as opposed to logical and rational solutions to diverse issues they are scraping the bottom of the barrel of intellectual bankruptcy and are just trying to pull on emotive heart strings because they cant come up with any productive working solutions to the problem." There is noone here, at least not me, who suggests only empathy to understand and solve complex issues of our world. You are the one who is alarmed to just hear the word "empathy" and automatically writes an out-of-context story about it. I am for rationality too. I also think that mirror neurons have an important function in the evolution of our species. Without empathy it would be very hard to imagine the human as a moral animal. >>>