Bruno de Vergeron

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Bruno de Vergeron
Posted over 1 year ago
Human Cloning
@ sean brother can you separate religion ( consciousness) and science ? I think that position doesnt be acceptable for human and humanity rights Science as all we possess must be in finality of Common Good . That is the fondement (in french )of all authority , and scientists must be submitted to government authority ( that are not disqualified in religious , ontologics and anthropologics or socials effects and arguments ) Mainly they must obey to Human Rights Déclarations religiously I think it'is mainly and absolutly strongly comdemned in Bible ( whose translation with monosylabics - souce CESHE- tells in Daniel chapter 9 , that thess transgression is the worst (after adam'S ones , and then Jesus 's deapth) these third transgression is called in clear translation , Shiqoutsim Meshomem , ie Abomination of Desolation ( Jesus and Apocalypse mremained and talked about it in same terms ) In Monosylabic translation of Dn9 we find "Men will congelate embryos ", and further "they will kill thes human being in order to duplicate them " It is showing that that act and legalisation of it will be the Abomination of Desolation beginning : as intrusing in Holu y of Holy Divine Act of His Pure Human Création : at the moment and place when Man create the clone , iGod is substantially present to create the soul in him to inlife it ( (animation of the body) : presence like physical union between the mother and the baby at birth , ie without any cloth ( voile, in french) . It is a profanation act in Holy of Holy ( Saint des Saints in french) But all human and social and juridicals consequences of cloning for humanity and the world are gigantest too. That is a hudge War against Human Creation , Human , and Human Generation
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Bruno de Vergeron
Posted over 1 year ago
Human Cloning
not false practically that s called eugenic world . some named themselves transhumnists leaders of transhumanism ideology practically as I know in France : on the 11th of february 1913 ( french and world celebrate a that date ND de Lourdes , whre the Holy lady said I'am Imaculated Conception !!!) a law decret legally to developp human embryo's ( conception no defined : could be cloning or by ovocyt fecondation ) and one chromosome X inhibited ... That s to say in 50% of case the baby won't have sexuals organs ( a -sexual human), and in 100% no sexual impulse ( they could be in future be enroled for inhuman missions because without affect ..and lightnessed consciousness) Look also at others of my post in last hour
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Bruno de Vergeron
Posted over 1 year ago
Human Cloning
ok but the french governement legalize cloning from embryos ( human indeed ) that's possible in practice since july 2013 american are succeeding in cloning till 150 cells that mean possibility to developp them further as we do in FIV procreation ( look my posts in french 10 mn ago )
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Bruno de Vergeron
Posted over 1 year ago
Human Cloning
no ! absolutly faulse ... clone is not the same and will contract genetic cells of the ovocyst that will bring him to birth after his creation by cloning technic But it is true that the cells are more old than those of a baby : he will dye soon ...that is the reason why laws and cloners try to success in cloning very young human embryos ( prealably destroyed in that prospect although they get a soul ( immortal as say since Platon all humanity and common sens )
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Bruno de Vergeron
Posted over 1 year ago
Human Cloning
i think you re inspired : look at my post 5 mn ago Antroplogy , Ontology , Human Rights Declaration and Theology condemn all these projects, practices and all people who encourage them , finance them, legalize them A good video and comments in final last 20 mn of the film splice ( which is a sum up of embryonics manipulations since 30 years in laboratories : we know two in France that practice such experiences and observations of hybrids human - animals creatures ) Institut Nazareth follow since 15 years the actuality about laws and declarations , and religious /moral aspects about human cloning : site : http://catholiquedu.net (rubrique Institut Nazareth )
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Bruno de Vergeron
Posted over 1 year ago
Human Cloning
non le clone humain n'est pas le jumeau de celui qu'il " duplique" : il aura les caractéristiques de mla mère porteuse qui le portera et le fera naitre ... C'est ainsi qu'une cellule totipotente developpee par clonage dans un ovule animal donnera une chimère ou un être hybride (... ce qui est en soi une abomination !!) le mythe du clone semblable est une aberration de aldous Huxley le prophète du meillleur des mondes constitué d'etres humains créés a la carte les experimentations avant d'arriver à un resultat de clone humain sont fait de ce genre de manipulations inhumaines et deshumanisantes : le film Splice en est une expression ... si vous comprenez le français je vous invite a écouter l'audio de jenvier dernier http://radionotredame.net/emission/la-voix-est-libre/07-03-2013/ et la video apres le vote des lois de l'été dernier en France et commentant splice http://gloria.tv/?media=506673
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Bruno de Vergeron
Posted over 1 year ago
Human Cloning
le clonage humain : 1)il est techniquement possible : Par J.Gallagher BBC News (mai 2013 ) révèle : « Un embryon au stade blastocyste » Le clonage humain a bien été utilisé pour produire des embryons précoces .. Dr David King, de Human Genetics Alert, alerte: "Les scientifiques ont finalement accouché: une méthode pour créer de façon fiable des embryons humains clonés. ( …) L'électricité a été utilisée pour encourager l'œuf à se développer en embryon.. L'œuf cloné n’avait jamais pu dépasser le stade de la cellule 6-12. Voici qu’une équipe de l'Oregon Health and Science University a pu mettre faire passer l'embryon au stade blastocyste - environ 150 cellules - suffisantes pour fournir une source de cellules souches embryonnaires donc aptes à obtenir des Bébés clonés? (…) implanté comme par FIV… // 2) il est dans la loi française, contrairement aux idées reçues, légal d'en developper tous ses stades de la conception à l'embryon intra- uterin en passant par sa constitution. Et jusqu'a sa naissance en ce qui concerne les clones d'embryons congelés depuis juilet 2013 ( voir alerte 22 rubrique institut nazareth dans le site http://catholiquedu.net) // 3) Mais ce que ce qui est techniquement possible et autorisé par la loi d'un pays est il légitime humainement, moral ? Ce interroge l'ontologie de l'homme :le clone est créé sans fécondation : il n'aura ni père ni mère biologique : il sera "fabriqué " et issu non d'une "union biologique" de gametes masculines et feminines , mais par provocation techniquede ses divisions cellulaires ( chimique et excitations electriques). L'etre humain en sera marque toute sa vie // 4) l'homme reçoit une ame spirituelle immortelle, créée par Dieu qui le distingue de l'animal . Le clonage humain est, dit Daniel (ch9 ) profanation du sanctuaire réservé a Dieu seul , Abomination de la Désolation ( qui provoquera des "justices imanentes" graves) 5) il est une ouverture a l'eugénisme condamné à Nuremberg (nazi,Pr Mengele testa clonage et hybrides)