David Llewellyn Foster Posted 5 months ago Alex Wissner-Gross: A new equation for intelligence Thank you for this thought provoking response Larry. You suggest that entropic forces must exist as a consequence of some primal circumstance, environment or condition and that somehow out of this flux life "was created." These are difficult statements to validate empirically by an intelligent life form (ie us) with the developed abstract capacity to reflect upon an existence that has evidently itself resulted from such a random convergence of events. I still see a plausible confusion therefore between intelligence itself as a living function in a certain sense that is opportunist, and the instruments of that intelligence, its synthetic cognitive media like mathematical logic ~ or self-expressive language and the deep "poetry" of sentient experience that is formalized by self-awareness as memory. Lyn Margulis revolutionized our understanding of evolutionary biology with the notion of symbiosis. If we accept that consciousness itself must be an adaptive and (self-directed) emergent (cellular) process, this dynamic creativity must also be intimately associated with those actual forces and constraints that constitute the material substrates of the energetic autopoietic forms we recognize as symbiotic organisms. So I would suggest to you that life is not rare or "separate," that all forces are sentient and alive but that our understanding of life is often impaired by the instrumental mechanisms of the mind, buttressed by our conceits of illusion and inflected by pretensions of identity. Learning is about direct apperceptive correlation and creative heuristic reflexivity .