Mar 20 2013: Allan Savory is talking about his experience. He went through a breif history of what he'd done and showed us the results of what he's accomplished.
That is HIS experience. His experience over-rides ANY points of view to the contrary, any scientific paper, any teachings otherwise, because he's not talking about anything else but what he has discovered and the projects he is involved in.
Many people below have also stated that their own versIon of holistic management is reaping benefits for them too. Are we to disbelieve or discredit them also?
It is very unwise to discount either your own, or anyone else's experience as not valid. This denial of reality experience has been, for too long, the predominant form of decision making (by individuals, families, societies and countries) with disastrous results.
Mar 16 2013: I'm newly introduced here and this is my first dip in. I find quite a lot of the comments interesting, & would like to comment on a few points. Religion is not synonymous with spitiuality. It may be, but observably the doctrines and practice of religion(s) are not necessarily at all. Neither is spirituality synonymous with feeling or emotion, which is only a part of spitiuality. Spirituality is, surely, about an awareness that goes well beyond self, connectiong us to all. and it is understood by the whole self, intellectually as much as that feeling of vast connection. It is evident through what we say, how we say, and action, even when that action includes 'non-action'. Being aware involves an intimate understanding and understanding comes from knowledge. Science also is intimately concerned with understanding, and by studying and researching comes to these detailed understanding and awareness. They hav found, for example, so many things that were previously though otherwise. Somebody said here that we should not confuse our physical experience with our emotional or 'spiritual' experience. [Much evil comes from this confusion....] Yet science, through the study of cell receptors and ligands, has found that the hormonal release triggered by emotional response always causes a physical reaction - one can not separate them. We can recognise this in cases of embarassment - thought, feeling and physical symptoms all affecting us simultaneously.
Somebody else also said that to talk about science and spirituality is actually useful. We could find arguments to say just about any 'this & that' is one and the same.
I am very interested in scientific developments and discoveries and learn a great deal, but I am also interested by much recent scientific research that, altho disproves previously held scientific ideologies, matches those I've learnt about through Buddhist teachings.
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That is HIS experience. His experience over-rides ANY points of view to the contrary, any scientific paper, any teachings otherwise, because he's not talking about anything else but what he has discovered and the projects he is involved in.
Many people below have also stated that their own versIon of holistic management is reaping benefits for them too. Are we to disbelieve or discredit them also?
It is very unwise to discount either your own, or anyone else's experience as not valid. This denial of reality experience has been, for too long, the predominant form of decision making (by individuals, families, societies and countries) with disastrous results.
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Somebody else also said that to talk about science and spirituality is actually useful. We could find arguments to say just about any 'this & that' is one and the same.
I am very interested in scientific developments and discoveries and learn a great deal, but I am also interested by much recent scientific research that, altho disproves previously held scientific ideologies, matches those I've learnt about through Buddhist teachings.