Feb 28 2013: Hey, just watched the video. That guy lives right up the way from me, well... same state anyway. He had some quality points to make. I am glad to see him take those questions head on. (I wish the news guy didn't look so smug. Its not an argument anyone should be happy about winning, kind of like "See! I told you your Grandmother was dead, and you didn't believe me....) Anyway, I had no idea there were two types of carbon, and I am happy to see that he acknowledged the problems with Al Gores hockey stick in a matter of fact way, definitely boosts his credibility with me. Thanks again for the link. :)
Feb 28 2013: Thank you Allen, I will watch the video and I appreciate the input, and I certainly wish I could choose, and perhaps when I come to the end of my little investigation I will see it as you do. For now, however, I must reserve judgement as I think a case could be made that people in both camps have all kinds of agenda's. which is one reason why I'm finding it so difficult to get to the bottom of all this. For example, (don't mean to pick on him, but just as an example) Al Gore invests in companies that profit from green policies, and he lobbies for them. I don't necessarily think that should exclude his arguments from the dialogue (and certainly don't think he should refrain from those activities), but I think it means his statements should be subject to thorough review. I think the same should be said for what the oil companies argue.
I sure hope your right (well actually, I don't in that it sure would be a load off if we weren't causing this ;) I see science as the unbiased search for truth as well, and onward down the rabbit hole I go!
Feb 28 2013: Agreed, everything is indeed connected, like a sympathetic nervous system planet wide. And what we are doing to the oceans is pretty darned ugly and shameful. I'd like to run with your observation of everything being interconnected a bit: It's almost as if all the cells of your body gained individual awareness and started being motivated by short term self interest. What a mess that would make. Makes me think that perhaps there are cosmic/consciousness related questions that need answering as well as the scientific ones if we are to see our way clear of this mess. Perhaps with the global implementation of information technology we are.... kind of like the sympathetic nervous system that keeps all the cells coordinated through the flow of information so that we reap the rewards of synergy and can operate as a single system in ITS best interest as well as our own... I don't know,it's late, my brain is slipping out of gear I think. Thanks for the reply. (and the reminder) :)
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Feb 27 2013: Thanks for responding so quickly. I can certainly recognize that we produce plenty of CO2. With respect to the CO2 component of climate change, I am at the stage of vetting the claims that CO2 is not in a position to overshadow the effects of methane or water vapor in as far as how much the amounts in the atmosphere vary and the degree to which they impact the greenhouse effect. I've also heard that historical CO2 levels might not precede temperature changes as previously thought, but might actually follow temperature changes. Indicating that the increasing levels we are seeing now, is in response to temp changes which are in turn caused by something else. Again, not saying I agree, but do find the points worthy of closer examination. Thanks again, I really am enjoying the helpful nature and respectful tone of this forum! :)
Feb 27 2013: Thanks for the links. I know there is a profit motive for people on both sides to manipulate the conversation (ie I've heard globalists are behind man made climate change and oil is behind it being a natural process) That's why I try to just focus on the scientific process and only incorporate information that has survived credible peer review. I know there are some pretty thoughtful points being made on both sides. I've seen them from other sources. I just really like the TED format. Thanks for taking the time to check for me! :)
Feb 27 2013: I see what you mean. I've heard a theory about how it's far more natural for people to decide what they want to believe first, then set about finding evidence to support that belief, rather than the more unnatural process of gathering data first and then formulating your belief based on rational processing of that data. Which is what I am trying to do (harder than it looks, I keep finding unfounded biases sneaking back into my thought processes ;) Thank you for sharing! What country are you from, if you don't mind me asking?
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I sure hope your right (well actually, I don't in that it sure would be a load off if we weren't causing this ;) I see science as the unbiased search for truth as well, and onward down the rabbit hole I go!
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Kind Regards,
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