Mar 12 2013: This topic will close automatically in about two weeks (forum does not allow extension). If anyone is interested and wants to write to me, my email is taoronz1 AT gmail dot com. Stijn's email is listed in one of the posts below.
Mar 6 2013: I like Google+ plus more than Facebook myself (although never used g+ and I'm a very limited user of Facebook)
I made the account and added you in Google+. Not sure what to do next. Let me know.
I hate using my real name on the internet, if I dont have to and but I may declare my real name at some point. I I guess it doesn't matter that much at this point.
Do you know of a real demo/example of a wiki that we can use, or setup like you setup the forum (with no coding required, just a setup)? I will follow your suggestions about Google docs and anything else that you have.
We can keep the forum you made for the moment we need it.
Video chat sounds like a great idea. We can do that anytime also and I think it will be helpful in solidifying our connection to this project and so on.
Mar 5 2013: hi John
You wrote: "We now have the the foundation to establish a social network that can basically govern a population and supply jobs."
To govern populations, supply jobs and also, to solve problems. We are two people discussing this kind of project. http://www.ted.com/conversations/16652/community_driven_website_that.html
The idea I had is this: Make a website that connects: The best ideas, the best workers and financing to make it happen.
It would be like a combination of Reddit, Ebay, Facebook etc.
The project I'm thinking of however does not focus primarily on jobs. It focuses on problem solving. Its a very basic idea right now. Anyway yea, join in if you're interesting. We started a forum.
Your idea is sort of abstract and at this point, ours is too. I'm just replying here so this topic is bookmarked as I might visit it again later.
Mar 5 2013: hi Stijn, so I made a username at that forum you made. Please make me admin and I can make a forum called "Introductions". (optional section)
http://ideas.freeforums.org/
I havent used Google plus before. Will it useful if I make an account there? I wont have any connections there as I will be new.
I get lazy on the weekends but I did get some stuff done except for this TED stuff, hence the delay.
Instead of replying to this, could you make a new post on the top of this thread? So it will "reset" the indenting.
There are many "next" steps to do. Another step can be to create a "wiki" website where we can start creating some kind of introduction to the site. Do you have any recommendations on what kind of wiki to use?
I think the wiki will be useful in working together on creating missions, descriptions of the project.
We want to create a good, initial definition of the project. We will do some basic foundational work to start it off. Then when we think we're satisfied with what we have, we can look at all the other sites in this thread and see if they have forums. We can even invite people from TED. We will want people to come and give ideas and then we'll search for web/IT volunteers to work on this after our ideas have been solidified by the group. Assuming we will reach that stage! lol.
We have to make a start somewhere. Our will (willpower and belief) will carry us through. I believe that is the only thing that is needed for success in anything.
The forum you made will be our first temporary place to get together.
So in summary, kindly make me a forum admin and let me know your thoughts on a wiki. Also let me know if I should make a Google plus account.
Mar 1 2013: Oh yea I dont like that forum too. For one, the header is too big and we have to scroll down. Thanks for making that forum! We will work on it to create some headers/sections in the forum, and then go to these other forums to look for people who want to join us. We dont need too many people to start this, just a few good, or as many as we can get. Its ok either way.
Thanks for evaluating that Creativity Pool forum.
I'll make a Google plus page and will let you know. I havent used Google plus before.
One section I was thinking of for our forum is "Bios" where we can talk (would be optional) about our biography, how we got interested in this project, what drives us to think about it and want to see it succeed. This can go at the bottom of all the other future forums. We will see.
You know I have one thing and that is stubborn optimism and the belief that a solution exists to most (if not every) problem and I'm committed to this project.
I will register there as well.
thanks
Feb 28 2013: My 2nd post for continuation. I think, for now we need to find a better platform than TED. I dont like this discussion forum. It has no features that forums of nowadays have. The typing/input font is too small as well (for no reason at all; another problem that our problem solving website should/would be able to fix).
Is there any other place we can go to talk about this? Maybe one of the websites/links posted by you and Frit has a better forum.
The people on the forum should be be able to understand what we're saying, like everyone on this thread has.
After we talk to more like-minded people, we would confirm that indeed nothing exists like what we want. We would solidify the proposal for our organization. And then propose a temporary organization name. We will get the domain for that and install or arrange a forum and we will start working on it.
Anyway. Yea, I think we need to move this discussion to a better forum first (step 1). We need to find more people like ourselves to have an initial discussion among a larger group.
I do look forward to reading the continuation of your post! We will take these discussions to our next location, where ever it will be.
If it doesn't exist, we will make a "free" forum ourselves, one way or the other and attract more people.
I am severely intellectually handicapped due to sleep issues and my brain doesnt work well. We need to find more people like you. I feel both of us understand this project and as you said, you were looking for this same thing, that makes you valuable for this project (even if just for discussion).
Feb 28 2013: Cuusoo, this lego building website? I see. Yea, this is a basic version of an "idea upvoting" system - thanks for the link. Someone suggests an idea and it gets upvoted.
Could there be a more complex version? Maybe, I haven't thought about it. Our website's goal of suggesting ideas will also apply to itself, so it can keep improving.
A more complex version could be where teams can work together on constantly evolving ideas instead of just one person.
>> I totally don't like the fact that you lose ownership of the idea.
For our purpose its ok to lose ownership because we're solving problems.
But say, if someone suggests an idea for a commercial purpose? Yes, then ownership is an issue to talk about.
You're perfectly right in your second paragraph. What you have said is great, yes this is how it has to start. You've given good examples of how they're doing it.
I have talked to someone about suggesting a name, for example "Community driven problem solving".
What you have said is the easy part. Here's one problem: Some people are more rational/logical than others. Some people are emotional and irrational.
A perfectly funny picture in Reddit may get 10,000 downvotes and 15,000 upvotes. The net difference is 5000 and it goes on their front page but still, 10,000 people downvoted it. This means that many people opposed a certain idea - with no reason (emotional/irrational reason).
We can think about some real life examples of the kinds of problems that approached by this system. Here's a difficult problem: (1) Taliban killing girls who go to school.
Solution: How do we make it so they are not afraid anymore and everyone goes to school? Yes its a tough issue but the problem can be broken down.
Would a simple voting system like we talked about be able to keep bad people from stopping progress? Maybe.
Or maybe we should start with examples of simpler problems first.
Oh yea, out of char here as well, this thing runs out fast. I will write another post.
Feb 27 2013: hi Stijn, you've said what I had on my mind. You're exactly right: These other projects are bits and pieces of what we want but not the whole.
To make a project that we're thinking, this kind of website would have to be able to evolve very fast technically and would have a lot of features to link up the three elements (ideas, workforce and financing).
Yea. I need to study these other bits and pieces and get ideas from them to make our own concept. I would then want to look for volunteer programmers and website builders to make this a reality.
The concept of "idea/workforce" also will apply to the website itself so it can keep improving.
There are many Internet related volunteer projects. One example is Firefox, which is free and is the result of hard-working volunteer IT folks.
I feel this project is about the only useful thing I can do with my life, considering how short our lives are and the typical long-term impact the average person leaves on the world after they're gone.
The idea about this project came to me slowly after I would think about what I could do with my life.
Ideas are easy to find or think about. Successful implementation is the actual challenge.
Any other thoughts you have on this that you'd like to share?
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I made the account and added you in Google+. Not sure what to do next. Let me know.
I hate using my real name on the internet, if I dont have to and but I may declare my real name at some point. I I guess it doesn't matter that much at this point.
Do you know of a real demo/example of a wiki that we can use, or setup like you setup the forum (with no coding required, just a setup)? I will follow your suggestions about Google docs and anything else that you have.
We can keep the forum you made for the moment we need it.
Video chat sounds like a great idea. We can do that anytime also and I think it will be helpful in solidifying our connection to this project and so on.
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You wrote: "We now have the the foundation to establish a social network that can basically govern a population and supply jobs."
To govern populations, supply jobs and also, to solve problems. We are two people discussing this kind of project. http://www.ted.com/conversations/16652/community_driven_website_that.html
The idea I had is this: Make a website that connects: The best ideas, the best workers and financing to make it happen.
It would be like a combination of Reddit, Ebay, Facebook etc.
The project I'm thinking of however does not focus primarily on jobs. It focuses on problem solving. Its a very basic idea right now. Anyway yea, join in if you're interesting. We started a forum.
Your idea is sort of abstract and at this point, ours is too. I'm just replying here so this topic is bookmarked as I might visit it again later.
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http://ideas.freeforums.org/
I havent used Google plus before. Will it useful if I make an account there? I wont have any connections there as I will be new.
I get lazy on the weekends but I did get some stuff done except for this TED stuff, hence the delay.
Instead of replying to this, could you make a new post on the top of this thread? So it will "reset" the indenting.
There are many "next" steps to do. Another step can be to create a "wiki" website where we can start creating some kind of introduction to the site. Do you have any recommendations on what kind of wiki to use?
I think the wiki will be useful in working together on creating missions, descriptions of the project.
We want to create a good, initial definition of the project. We will do some basic foundational work to start it off. Then when we think we're satisfied with what we have, we can look at all the other sites in this thread and see if they have forums. We can even invite people from TED. We will want people to come and give ideas and then we'll search for web/IT volunteers to work on this after our ideas have been solidified by the group. Assuming we will reach that stage! lol.
We have to make a start somewhere. Our will (willpower and belief) will carry us through. I believe that is the only thing that is needed for success in anything.
The forum you made will be our first temporary place to get together.
So in summary, kindly make me a forum admin and let me know your thoughts on a wiki. Also let me know if I should make a Google plus account.
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Thanks for evaluating that Creativity Pool forum.
I'll make a Google plus page and will let you know. I havent used Google plus before.
One section I was thinking of for our forum is "Bios" where we can talk (would be optional) about our biography, how we got interested in this project, what drives us to think about it and want to see it succeed. This can go at the bottom of all the other future forums. We will see.
You know I have one thing and that is stubborn optimism and the belief that a solution exists to most (if not every) problem and I'm committed to this project.
I will register there as well.
thanks
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Is there any other place we can go to talk about this? Maybe one of the websites/links posted by you and Frit has a better forum.
The people on the forum should be be able to understand what we're saying, like everyone on this thread has.
After we talk to more like-minded people, we would confirm that indeed nothing exists like what we want. We would solidify the proposal for our organization. And then propose a temporary organization name. We will get the domain for that and install or arrange a forum and we will start working on it.
Anyway. Yea, I think we need to move this discussion to a better forum first (step 1). We need to find more people like ourselves to have an initial discussion among a larger group.
I do look forward to reading the continuation of your post! We will take these discussions to our next location, where ever it will be.
If it doesn't exist, we will make a "free" forum ourselves, one way or the other and attract more people.
I am severely intellectually handicapped due to sleep issues and my brain doesnt work well. We need to find more people like you. I feel both of us understand this project and as you said, you were looking for this same thing, that makes you valuable for this project (even if just for discussion).
A reply on Conversation: Community driven website that links together the best ideas, the best workers and required financing
Could there be a more complex version? Maybe, I haven't thought about it. Our website's goal of suggesting ideas will also apply to itself, so it can keep improving.
A more complex version could be where teams can work together on constantly evolving ideas instead of just one person.
>> I totally don't like the fact that you lose ownership of the idea.
For our purpose its ok to lose ownership because we're solving problems.
But say, if someone suggests an idea for a commercial purpose? Yes, then ownership is an issue to talk about.
You're perfectly right in your second paragraph. What you have said is great, yes this is how it has to start. You've given good examples of how they're doing it.
I have talked to someone about suggesting a name, for example "Community driven problem solving".
What you have said is the easy part. Here's one problem: Some people are more rational/logical than others. Some people are emotional and irrational.
A perfectly funny picture in Reddit may get 10,000 downvotes and 15,000 upvotes. The net difference is 5000 and it goes on their front page but still, 10,000 people downvoted it. This means that many people opposed a certain idea - with no reason (emotional/irrational reason).
We can think about some real life examples of the kinds of problems that approached by this system. Here's a difficult problem: (1) Taliban killing girls who go to school.
Solution: How do we make it so they are not afraid anymore and everyone goes to school? Yes its a tough issue but the problem can be broken down.
Would a simple voting system like we talked about be able to keep bad people from stopping progress? Maybe.
Or maybe we should start with examples of simpler problems first.
Oh yea, out of char here as well, this thing runs out fast. I will write another post.
A reply on Conversation: Community driven website that links together the best ideas, the best workers and required financing
To make a project that we're thinking, this kind of website would have to be able to evolve very fast technically and would have a lot of features to link up the three elements (ideas, workforce and financing).
Yea. I need to study these other bits and pieces and get ideas from them to make our own concept. I would then want to look for volunteer programmers and website builders to make this a reality.
The concept of "idea/workforce" also will apply to the website itself so it can keep improving.
There are many Internet related volunteer projects. One example is Firefox, which is free and is the result of hard-working volunteer IT folks.
I feel this project is about the only useful thing I can do with my life, considering how short our lives are and the typical long-term impact the average person leaves on the world after they're gone.
The idea about this project came to me slowly after I would think about what I could do with my life.
Ideas are easy to find or think about. Successful implementation is the actual challenge.
Any other thoughts you have on this that you'd like to share?