Feb 14 2013: Life is a precarious proposition at it's very best.
You cannot eliminate all dangers and freedom comes at a price and cost.
I will not give up freedom for security.
Some want to eliminate certain weapons for what they think is security when those very weapons secure those very freedoms.
Feb 13 2013: Laws definately help in advancing our society as a whole. But lets look back at
those particular laws that have been responsable for advanceing our societies the
most and individual freedom is one of the ideas that I believe are the most important.
While we may not like the dangers that these weapons pose when in the hands of those
who would do those appalling things as in what we term as mass murder. Weapons have
done as much good as evil.
Weapons have brought the very freedoms we have at this moment and
have killed many innocents as well.I don't think there is a viable argument
against that statement.
I am of the opinion that as long as others have weapons in this imperfect world
be it government or idividual I want mine as well as said by others in varying forms
in this discussion.
As I have said in another post that I was educated about the use of weapons ie, guns
at a young age and have been around or onwed them all of my life. I have never pulled
my weapon on another human though some have been pulled on me without reason and without
real intent to use them otherwise I may not be here today.
When I have been violent in this life it has been in defense of myself or a loved one and
I did not use a gun, not to say I wouldn't if I saw the need.
Disagreement whether I was justified in my actions at that point would be the discussion.
whether I used a gun,club,knife or my hands and feet.
I don't mean to sound as if
I'm bored with this discussion But in fact I am.
Feb 13 2013: When I look at any subject honestly and without any of my biases,
I find something that may be disturbing to some and comforting to others.
I have very conservative and very liberal views on the very same issues.
I find that I get the most replies to my posts when I pick one side or
the other and ignore the other side of the issue almost completely.
As with Dewayne I provoked him with a stance that to him, from my post,
was seemingly intractable. That was an experiment on my part.Sorry Dewayne.
He was, I would say convinced by those particular statements of my
state of mind on this issue and basically did not want to hear anything
I had to say because to him I seemed ridiculous. Totally understandable.
It seems to me that we could change the title of this conversation how do
we bring common sense to the masses.
I mean most people I meet have a healthy dose of common sense when talking
to them on a one on one face to face talk. but as soon as they are
in a more public setting they have a need to represent themselves in a
slightly different way, meaning they change the way they see the world
to accommodate the world. People are generally more abusive to others
when they are in a crowd and I believe it is easier when you stand from
that point of view to be that way. Make no mistake this online discussion is
in the publicWe as humans have always sought acceptance to our clan,tribe,clique or
society. It's easier to lean in a certain way since those around us are
already doing so.
Most people alive in this world today, I believe, are Pretty normal, if there is
such a thing.
What I'm trying get across here is that huge difference of
opinion we think we have here.
We are trying to have a discussion on the dangers of weapons (guns in particular)
in our society.
There are very sane arguments on both sides of the issue and some have espoused
ideas, including me that we are discussing a social problem more than a procession of
weapons in our society problem.
Feb 11 2013: I'm posting this once more for Dewayne Rabid -eau Quit pretending know my views.
OK, controversy aside, Firearms were not invented to be safe. They were invented to give advantage to those possessing them. A safer gun is almost an oxymoron. The use of those weapons is the core of the debate.
The ones who commit the crimes as in the latest atrocity are said to be mentally ill and most would agree that a mentally ill person is probably ten times more likely to be a victim of violent crime than the perpetrator. Columbine, the perpetrators were said to be outcasts of the school or social networks. They were tired of their inequality and acted out in a way that most should and would not. My point is this there are dangers in this world mostly human nature that a weapon is good for. /the weapons are not the problem in my view, we are.
We tend to exclude others to the point of severe pain to those very people. A lot more compassion and understanding of those we would separate ourselves from might go a long way to solving the majority of problems we face as a society.
So the next time you want to remove or separate someone from participation in our society or clique. Try doing the opposite they might not as bad as we think, which is usually the case,, it will take guts but it just might save a loved one or perhaps you.
Feb 11 2013: At least you addressed some issues this time. Now go home and quit trying to meddle in our affairs. Lol
I understand your position. But did your gov take away due process. You need to cut down on the caffeine Bubba
While I have plenty of respect for our closest and dearest neighbor I have never tried to tell anyone from your country what rights they have in their country. Something that you seem to lack. You stepped over the line with that one.
As far as the cherished centrist Liberal thing, the vast majority of Americans including me are centrist that's just the way it is. You should have more respect for other peoples views. And, the reference to dogs being used on our citizens was to show the way it has been leaning for many years. When you lose small parts your liberties for WHAT YOU believe is keeping safe
Maybe you neglected to read the last paragraph or at least understand it. So I will translate it for you.
When you lose small pieces of your liberty that is a path I personally don't care for, because it is the path to losing more. Those btw were fought for through out the history of this country by my family with many of them in the national cemeteries of our great country.
I never said I do or do not vote. That is my prerogative whichever I choose. I wasn't complaining I was giving my opinion.
As far as issues with the Police, yes I do, the 1968 Democratic convention. look it up. citizens being put behind fences called free speech zones (oxymoron)because they're holding signs that disagreed with Dubba's policies G W That is. And there are many more examples.
It seems to me you don't really study both sides of the issues, instead you assimilate others opinions into what you call your own. When one of my country's citizens rights areabused that's a clear sing that mine can be abused.
Our conversation is over. because it wasn't one. I'm sure you will have the last word due to your "Fox news" approach to a conversation. But I am done with you. bye Dewane
Feb 11 2013: Wow very emotional. I figured I'd get a rise out of someone and lucky you. You're it! I'd really like to read from your post at least one issue mentioned in mine. Then we might have something to discuss. You know like a conversation where ideas are exchanged and debated. So, I'm gonna try for you.
There are no excuses only reasons, at least that's my view
I don't know how many people Police kill each year. Do you? Not nearly the whole issue.
Tyranny? Loss of due process. Free speech zone. Are those unrealistic? Look it up! It's a slippery slope.
Voting?You have no idea whether I vote or not.
Fear? That's a big one I'm just gonna say; The White house memo that just came out saying the President has the right to send an armed drone to kill anyone anywhere including you. And, just so you know it's not really a fear on my part that I keep a healthy observation of those who claim to up hold the constitution.
I'm going out on limb here and being a bit like your statements when I say this but.
You watch a lot of Fox news don't you?
Your statements are very reactionary and accusatory in their nature without discussing or stating any facts whatsoever.
Lastly
Free? Free speech zones during the bush administration. as well as the loss of due process.
Brave? Means standing up for your country when needed and against it when it violates the Law, you know the Constitution.
(I did write that to get a strong reaction.)
And..... finally.
It's like when you fall. It's usually the little things that cause your feet to slip from under you but you hit the big things on the way down.
Good luck my friend.
Feb 10 2013: Just for the sake of argument, lets say that your government did turn tyrannical, Where do you think the first place is that they would defend? I can guarantee you that it would be your access to those very weapons. Now, if they had to come directly to you to take them away that is a whole other problem for the ones who would be your master. Your thoughts?.
Feb 10 2013: All power, authority and technology can and will be abused. That is a fact of human history. If you want to argue this point PLEASE don't do it with me, do it with someone else that has lost the common sense you both were born with. Btw. common sense is in a desperately short supply of late.
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You cannot eliminate all dangers and freedom comes at a price and cost.
I will not give up freedom for security.
Some want to eliminate certain weapons for what they think is security when those very weapons secure those very freedoms.
A comment on Conversation: Solving gun violence in the US in today's insane political climate requires a solution that makes it painless for everyone.
those particular laws that have been responsable for advanceing our societies the
most and individual freedom is one of the ideas that I believe are the most important.
While we may not like the dangers that these weapons pose when in the hands of those
who would do those appalling things as in what we term as mass murder. Weapons have
done as much good as evil.
Weapons have brought the very freedoms we have at this moment and
have killed many innocents as well.I don't think there is a viable argument
against that statement.
I am of the opinion that as long as others have weapons in this imperfect world
be it government or idividual I want mine as well as said by others in varying forms
in this discussion.
As I have said in another post that I was educated about the use of weapons ie, guns
at a young age and have been around or onwed them all of my life. I have never pulled
my weapon on another human though some have been pulled on me without reason and without
real intent to use them otherwise I may not be here today.
When I have been violent in this life it has been in defense of myself or a loved one and
I did not use a gun, not to say I wouldn't if I saw the need.
Disagreement whether I was justified in my actions at that point would be the discussion.
whether I used a gun,club,knife or my hands and feet.
I don't mean to sound as if
I'm bored with this discussion But in fact I am.
A comment on Conversation: Solving gun violence in the US in today's insane political climate requires a solution that makes it painless for everyone.
I find something that may be disturbing to some and comforting to others.
I have very conservative and very liberal views on the very same issues.
I find that I get the most replies to my posts when I pick one side or
the other and ignore the other side of the issue almost completely.
As with Dewayne I provoked him with a stance that to him, from my post,
was seemingly intractable. That was an experiment on my part.Sorry Dewayne.
He was, I would say convinced by those particular statements of my
state of mind on this issue and basically did not want to hear anything
I had to say because to him I seemed ridiculous. Totally understandable.
It seems to me that we could change the title of this conversation how do
we bring common sense to the masses.
I mean most people I meet have a healthy dose of common sense when talking
to them on a one on one face to face talk. but as soon as they are
in a more public setting they have a need to represent themselves in a
slightly different way, meaning they change the way they see the world
to accommodate the world. People are generally more abusive to others
when they are in a crowd and I believe it is easier when you stand from
that point of view to be that way. Make no mistake this online discussion is
in the publicWe as humans have always sought acceptance to our clan,tribe,clique or
society. It's easier to lean in a certain way since those around us are
already doing so.
Most people alive in this world today, I believe, are Pretty normal, if there is
such a thing.
What I'm trying get across here is that huge difference of
opinion we think we have here.
We are trying to have a discussion on the dangers of weapons (guns in particular)
in our society.
There are very sane arguments on both sides of the issue and some have espoused
ideas, including me that we are discussing a social problem more than a procession of
weapons in our society problem.
A comment on Conversation: Solving gun violence in the US in today's insane political climate requires a solution that makes it painless for everyone.
OK, controversy aside, Firearms were not invented to be safe. They were invented to give advantage to those possessing them. A safer gun is almost an oxymoron. The use of those weapons is the core of the debate.
The ones who commit the crimes as in the latest atrocity are said to be mentally ill and most would agree that a mentally ill person is probably ten times more likely to be a victim of violent crime than the perpetrator. Columbine, the perpetrators were said to be outcasts of the school or social networks. They were tired of their inequality and acted out in a way that most should and would not. My point is this there are dangers in this world mostly human nature that a weapon is good for. /the weapons are not the problem in my view, we are.
We tend to exclude others to the point of severe pain to those very people. A lot more compassion and understanding of those we would separate ourselves from might go a long way to solving the majority of problems we face as a society.
So the next time you want to remove or separate someone from participation in our society or clique. Try doing the opposite they might not as bad as we think, which is usually the case,, it will take guts but it just might save a loved one or perhaps you.
A comment on Conversation: Solving gun violence in the US in today's insane political climate requires a solution that makes it painless for everyone.
I understand your position. But did your gov take away due process. You need to cut down on the caffeine Bubba
While I have plenty of respect for our closest and dearest neighbor I have never tried to tell anyone from your country what rights they have in their country. Something that you seem to lack. You stepped over the line with that one.
As far as the cherished centrist Liberal thing, the vast majority of Americans including me are centrist that's just the way it is. You should have more respect for other peoples views. And, the reference to dogs being used on our citizens was to show the way it has been leaning for many years. When you lose small parts your liberties for WHAT YOU believe is keeping safe
Maybe you neglected to read the last paragraph or at least understand it. So I will translate it for you.
When you lose small pieces of your liberty that is a path I personally don't care for, because it is the path to losing more. Those btw were fought for through out the history of this country by my family with many of them in the national cemeteries of our great country.
I never said I do or do not vote. That is my prerogative whichever I choose. I wasn't complaining I was giving my opinion.
As far as issues with the Police, yes I do, the 1968 Democratic convention. look it up. citizens being put behind fences called free speech zones (oxymoron)because they're holding signs that disagreed with Dubba's policies G W That is. And there are many more examples.
It seems to me you don't really study both sides of the issues, instead you assimilate others opinions into what you call your own. When one of my country's citizens rights areabused that's a clear sing that mine can be abused.
Our conversation is over. because it wasn't one. I'm sure you will have the last word due to your "Fox news" approach to a conversation. But I am done with you. bye Dewane
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There are no excuses only reasons, at least that's my view
I don't know how many people Police kill each year. Do you? Not nearly the whole issue.
Tyranny? Loss of due process. Free speech zone. Are those unrealistic? Look it up! It's a slippery slope.
Voting?You have no idea whether I vote or not.
Fear? That's a big one I'm just gonna say; The White house memo that just came out saying the President has the right to send an armed drone to kill anyone anywhere including you. And, just so you know it's not really a fear on my part that I keep a healthy observation of those who claim to up hold the constitution.
I'm going out on limb here and being a bit like your statements when I say this but.
You watch a lot of Fox news don't you?
Your statements are very reactionary and accusatory in their nature without discussing or stating any facts whatsoever.
Lastly
Free? Free speech zones during the bush administration. as well as the loss of due process.
Brave? Means standing up for your country when needed and against it when it violates the Law, you know the Constitution.
(I did write that to get a strong reaction.)
And..... finally.
It's like when you fall. It's usually the little things that cause your feet to slip from under you but you hit the big things on the way down.
Good luck my friend.
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