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David Schwartz
Posted over 2 years ago
Is our math wrong? Is it our assumption of zero, or absolute nothingness?
HAHAHAHAHA, you're cool dude. I didnt mention anything about AI, but i totally agree with you. i feel like that is an issue that mankind will inevitably have to face, and i feel it will be horrendous. It was interesting how that issue was resolved in the novel Dune. i wouldnt condone it, but i think the author of the book dealt with it very creatively in making a universe to set his story in. If you havent already, read Dune. I agree with you on how scientific advancement continues. It both must be tempered by going against the grain (the whole idea behind peer review) while it is also built on ever increasing fundamental levels. Im glad you wouldnt think of getting rid of zero right now. It is definitely beyond useful. However, i wont say that there isnt the possibility that zero will be superseded. I wouldnt say though that our math system is fundamentally flawed. Not so long as it continues to have room to improve and adapt, which it surely will. On a side note, back to AI and things like that, (you should definitely start a conversation about the rights an AI being would be entitled, that would be SUPER INTERESTING), even though im not excited about humanity dealing with another slave vs. master issue, i am really looking forward to when the para-olympics begin to outperform the traditional olympics. I think that will be awesome! Hope you are having a good one!
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David Schwartz
Posted over 2 years ago
Is our math wrong? Is it our assumption of zero, or absolute nothingness?
Hey Casey! how does it feel to have so much correspondence from all around the world? Must be pretty SWEET!!! hahaha, this is such a cool concept to be discussing, honestly. sure the level of math being displayed here may not be optimal. But, i think its really cool and pretty profound that so many people can come here to discuss our limited understanding of astro to quantum physics, and theology, and logic, and history, and our predictions for the future, and our beliefs about truth and reality, and most of all MATHEMATICS. Its awesome! Thanks a lot as well for being so open with sharing information and other things. Hope your still having a good day!
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David Schwartz
Posted over 2 years ago
Is our math wrong? Is it our assumption of zero, or absolute nothingness?
Casey, i didnt say you disputed zero's usefulness. I was just pointing out that you havent, actually. Anyways, i would like to point out a flaw in your logic that might help to get my point across. So no offense, i am not attacking you as a being. And this is what ive taken from this feed, so correct me if i get stuff wrong. YOU have been arguing both that, "we need an absolute math system based on reality, and not on arbitrary values that we assign," while you simultaneously argue that the ultimate truth lies totally in perception, and that there is no way of finding reality other than agreeing what it is "close" to. So i would just like to say that assigning absolute values to things, goes totally against a truth based on perspective. Especially since 0 is the easiest reference point of absolutes. And lastly, going back to caveman math is like i said earlier, pretty much the same as driving on the wrong side of the highway in going against thousands of years of scientific advancement. We have created these conventions for a reason, and that reason is the progression of civilization. Hope your having a good day.
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David Schwartz
Posted over 2 years ago
Is our math wrong? Is it our assumption of zero, or absolute nothingness?
I feel as though this conversation has reached a new point. Nobody can dispute that zero is useful. Now we can move on to the new topic our host Mr. Cristofaris has introduced which is: How can we create a number system which represents, "THE TRUTH" i would like to begin with a question of: "How do you define the truth pertaining to zero's and negative number's nonexistence, Mr. Cristofaris? More specifically, why aint zero nor -#s true?"
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David Schwartz
Posted over 2 years ago
Is our math wrong? Is it our assumption of zero, or absolute nothingness?
Hi Casey, Sorry if i got a little bit abstract. Let me clarify what i was talking bout :) When i was talking about the weight of an idea, i was actually talking about the weight of the actual thought in your brain. Which, since an idea exists somewhere within the synapses of your brain either as electric impulses or neural transmitters, it actually has weight, as long as you are on earth. Chairness however is a perfect idea, which goes beyond the limitations of the physical into the metaphysical. I brought that into the conversation because it is a popular rhetorical device used by philosophers in explaining the metaphysical. I brought metaphysics into the conversation because i thought it was appropriate considering the vast amounts of logic, and the limiTED amounts of math that ive seen on this feed. Metaphysics also plays a part of our understanding of concepts that are the opposite of concrete; for example zero, infinite, and chairness, which are (with the exception of chairness) the main topics of this discussion. Lastly, the weight of a chair in space becomes its potential energy. Double lastly, 0, mathematics chairs and languages are all inventions that are useful. What i was getting at is, sure we dont have the "perfect" language to describe EVERYTHING, and we dont have the perfect math to describe everything, but attempting to attain either of those is as futile as attempting to create perfect chairness. A chair has enough chairness to fulfill all the requirements of a chair, just as math and language fulfill all the requirements of math and language. 0 is just a necessary part of that invention to help us understand the world we call reality. (3/2)(double lastly), Im sorry i attacked you directly with my ad hominem argument. It is frustrating reading some of the things on this feed, primarily because i dont understand a lot of them. I did not mean to sound disdainful when i said "beautiful human ideas" they are sincerely both, same as mine and everyones
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David Schwartz
Posted over 2 years ago
Is our math wrong? Is it our assumption of zero, or absolute nothingness?
Hahahaha, I really, liked how you counted from 2 to 0. Made me laugh. Sorry I accused you of thinking you're right alone. Fortunately for you though, according to Mark Meijer, you definitely will not be alone in being incorrect :) Lastly, inventions tend to be pretty useful. Even if a chair never attains perfect "Chairness" it does a lot to support the weight of you and all your beautiful human ideas. Which actually weigh something..... What a crazy thought! Does Chairness weigh something though?
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David Schwartz
Posted over 2 years ago
Is our math wrong? Is it our assumption of zero, or absolute nothingness?
I would like to point out that the record for driving on the wrong side of an english highway is 30 miles. Th women who set this record told the cops that punctured her tires that she had just assumed that all the hundreds of cars coming at her were driving on the wrong side of the road, and that she alone, was correct. Casey, you are arguing against a system that has been developed over thousands of years by millions of people who have have spent billions of hours developing it, and you are assuming that you alone are correct. You are also reverting back to a way of thinking that became antiquated 2000 years ago. If you would like to utilize a personal math system where neither negative numbers nor zero exist, i would actually be very impressed. Especially if you had your numeric 1 as equal to a water atom. Just kidding :) i know water isnt an atom. Anyways, i recommend removing this feed. If you dont though, best of luck! -David