Tim Powers

Northridge, CA, United States

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Tim Powers
Posted almost 3 years ago
Is Atheism just another cult, with their own dogma, like religious cults?
I don't mean to be overly argumentative, but your closing line said biting and kicking were allowed :) "My intentions in the debate, were to illicit comments on the issue of how people view atheism and it's characterization as almost a religion of total counter theism, rather than a debate on the idea of religion. If religion is theism, than is atheism simply anti-theism?" Absolutely not. The prefix 'a' simply means "without." Asexual reproduction is reproduction without sex, not reproduction that is anti-sexual. Amoral means without morals, not bad morals or anti-morals. Likewise, atheism is without a belief in a personal god.
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Tim Powers
Posted almost 3 years ago
Is Atheism just another cult, with their own dogma, like religious cults?
"I say, obviously you haven't heard everything there is to know on the matter." Then you're prepared to cite your sources, correct? Given that it would be a really ignorant thing for an agnostic to say, I tend to wonder if you attributed the notion to agnostics, when you meant to attribute it to a common creationist stance. "We all have something to say, but if someone has already said it, of what worth is an echo? Why reinvent the wheel?" I find this curious. Surely you don't imagine your debate point is original, so what was the worth of your echo? If you're allowed to echo a question based upon an incorrect notion of where the burden of proof lies, I'm certainly allowed to echo a logical correction.
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Tim Powers
Posted almost 3 years ago
Is Atheism just another cult, with their own dogma, like religious cults?
OK I think some of these points have not been addressed. Peter said: "However, thanks to electron microscopes we can see that this magical chemistry is really nano-engineering." No, it really IS just chemistry. For example, those pictures you see of flagellum are artists renderings made so we can visualize how it works. They're drawn to look like mechanical parts because their function is being described in terms of mechanical parts that most will understand. Actual photos from the e-scope are grainy and only show the general shape. That some things in nature act and/or look like things that man can engineer means nothing. "The cat is out the bag, this universe is a precisely engineered mechanism; humans & all." There are many examples of humans being very poorly designed. If we are the product of a Designer, he's no Master Engineer. More like a second-year liberal arts major who attended one chemical engineering lecture because he had a crush on one of the TAs. "The reason many creationists start from the bible, & work out wards is that it saves time." No, it's because they start and stop with the Bible. Where science and the Bible conflict, they'll just ignore the science. For example, C-14 dating is called completely useless by young-earthers. But when c-14 dating is used to date a tunnel under Jerusalem to Hezekiah's time (Hezekiah's tunnel), then suddenly C-14 dating is accurate and reliable.
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Tim Powers
Posted almost 3 years ago
Is Atheism just another cult, with their own dogma, like religious cults?
"I don't understand the statement about agnostics or creationism. What do you mean?" I meant calling atheists cultists because they have blind faith that there's no proof that God does NOT exist, is not something I've ever heard an agnostic say. I've heard creationists say things like that, because they often do not understand where the burden of proof lies. Generally, agnostics understand that you don't need proof that something DOESN'T exist; you would need proof that it DOES exist. "Tim, most of this question has already been answered by other commentors." Sorry, I thought it was a debate, not a question. I was weighing in with my take. But you're right, I'm sure my points have already been made by others. (And, yes, the forum setup is a bit confusing, with newest posts on top, but nested replies.)
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Tim Powers
Posted almost 3 years ago
Is Atheism just another cult, with their own dogma, like religious cults?
"Are you aware that it takes, roughly the same amount of electrical energy to send a post as it does to move a 2000 lb. Vehicle 3 feet?" I've never heard that, so I guess I'm forced to take the null position unless and until I do some research on the matter. :) I'm not sure why you think I'm not saying what I really mean? Care to elaborate?
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Tim Powers
Posted almost 3 years ago
Is Atheism just another cult, with their own dogma, like religious cults?
Atheists do not have a "blind faith in science." They simply default to the Null Position of not believing in something for which there is insufficient evidence. As for your claims that agnostics view atheists as cultists because they "... requires blind belief God does not exist which is dogmatic because there is no proof (currently)..." this sounds eerily like what creationists say about atheists, not agnostics. Atheists don't need proof to NOT believe in something. An atheist doesn't need proof that the tooth fairy doesn't exist. He's not in an atoothfairiest cult. Someone who doesn't believe in big foot is not an asasquatch cultist. The idea of agnostics being the inventors of creationism seems pretty absurd. That's like saying the NFL created baseball's designated hitter rule.