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Romantic answer: getting the answer to the ultimate question of Life, the Universe, and Everything:)
Ordinary answer: brainstorming, generating ideas and bringing them to life. As well as good wine:)

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  A reply on Conversation: Is There a Future for Money?

  Aug 22 2012: >or else we would be incredibly bored and have no reason to live.
  
  Look at Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. What are at the bottom? Physiological and safety needs. My money satisfy these needs. While they satisfied I don’t need money. Do you think I have no reason to live? I can create, develop(self-actualisation by Maslow), love and being loved(love, belonging by Maslow). Scarcity only creates these basic needs(physiological and safety). The real life begins when human satisfies his higher needs. So the really happy people today are those whose job satisfies both their higher and basic needs. And there are always bored people. In scarcity and post-scarcity. Who have only their basic needs.
  
  >Until we figure out how to get to that Utopian state, money is the best solution we got so far
  
  I agree. Post-scarcity has very high technological requirements. Firstly we must reach this technological level. I love money. In this society they help me satisfy my higher needs.

• A comment on Conversation: Is There a Future for Money?

  Aug 22 2012: +James Zhang
  I know what money is.
  
  >Or you can have a factory/assembly line make the same car in a few minutes
  
  It is a discussion of hypothetical technology capabilities. There is a theory that we are getting closer to technological singularity. Will “these” powerful machines have a singularity-like chart of their manufacturing time costs? Becoming faster and faster from year to year to the level of “almost” instantaneous manufacturing(like computer boot time). If we talk about scarcity of fast machines so yes, it’s not post-scarcity :) Anyway we cannot definitely state that time will be always a sensible cost for manufacturing. And also we cannot definitely state the opposite.

• A reply on Conversation: Is There a Future for Money?

  Aug 21 2012: >time is scarce
  It is pretty obvious statement in this context and I’d definitely use it in a discussion if it makes any sense. So what is the fundamental relation between time and money? Not in our current economy. The conceptual relation. Relation for all parallel universes. As I pointed you need money not for your time. Directly you need money for resources since they are scarce. If they are non-scarce you don’t need money for them and spend your time the best you can. And I mentioned post-scarcity in the sense of resource scarcity, not time.
  If you mean some particular cases when time is an attribute of service or product. E.g. not all resources are scarce and only 100 people per year can become immortal. So yes money will be needed since it is not completely post-scarce society.

• A reply on Conversation: Is There a Future for Money?

  Aug 21 2012: I already understood that you see no difference between hobby and industrial labor in context of time spending. You spend your time always and everywhere and for no money. For example here and now. You need money not for your spent time, you need money to spend your next time the way you want. And the way you want requires products and services that are scarce today.

• A comment on Conversation: Is There a Future for Money?

  Aug 21 2012: +James Zhang
  I neglected the question of time and space finitness in such large scale since nor scarcity model neither post-scarcity model affects it. So I use only labor(the machine labor is industrial, the human labor is like a hobby) and resource to argue optionality of money. With deeper look on post-scarcity and technology development at all there are questions of course. E.g. what could be after Kurzweil’s “The Universe Wakes Up” if it will be. Or what will be if machines evolves to the level of intelligent life form?

• A reply on Conversation: Is There a Future for Money?

  Aug 21 2012: I think I’ve explained enough what I think about individual’s labor, time and hierarchy of needs in context of discussion.

• A comment on Conversation: Is There a Future for Money?

  Aug 21 2012: >wow, time is unlimited? that's certainly new to me
  
  let me know when the time in Universe will stop, I have many things to be finished. About "individual's time" I wrote in the same message.
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  A reply on Conversation: Is There a Future for Money?

  Aug 21 2012: >Well I was under the impression that these things would have 0 cost, which to me, also meant that it would have 0 cost in time/space as well.
  
  I see. Well:
  1. Universe/Space is unlimited. Besides recycling I think it is also possible to go beyond the limits of the Earth with such ultimately high technology level
  2. Time. Time is unlimited too. Time of the individual w/o the needs is his will to spend it or not(may be such ultimately high technologies will also offer us the immortality?) Time of the machine is energy which is consumed. And which is theoretically renewable.

• A reply on Conversation: Designing the model of Future: Manufacture paradigm shifts

  Aug 20 2012: >Oh, on Curiosity I have already been 'dramatic' too in this forum ... :o)
  
  Get your hands out of Mars!:)))
  
  >good wine
  
  Good wine sounds good. As well as beer :)
  
  >http://thevenusproject.com/en
  I heard about venus before. It was hard not to hear. With a bit of scepsis. But it’s reasonable to take note. Thanks for the tip

• A reply on Conversation: Is There a Future for Money?

  Aug 20 2012: >I'm not sure if we can achieve something that takes 0 time or 0 space
  
  hmm it seems I’ve misunderstood you. Could you explain why we need 0 time or 0 space to accomplish it even hypothetically?
  >We create something without literally losing a thing.
  e.g. I have 1 kg of material. I create a thing of it. I want another thing to replace this one. I recycle this thing back into material and create the new one w/o wastes(e.g. material is made of nanobots). This is recycling.
  There are plans to mine asteroids. It is a great source of resources. This is _conditionally_ unlimited resources(the way to asteroid is made by machines and they have enough mining to fulfill their needs). There is also a concept of inorganic life. Forcing inorganic matter to divide. Everyone knows what would have happened with planet if the bacteria began to divide indefinitely. It’s just a couple of concepts not more.