Mar 27 2013: Is it possible to create a human-like digital mind? That is what you ask.
My answer is: no, never. That has nothing to do with processing speed and has everything to do with the nature of the data that has to be processed.
The human mind has to handle four types of "data":
1. physical data to keep the body working properly.
2. physical calculations, like can I lift that box, jump that ditch?
3. emotions, like love, hate, sorrow, self-respect. (Please that note physical pain is not an emotion but a body-signal.)
4. self-awareness.
The first two can be handled by the brain, which is a digital computer; it works with pulses and what it lacks in speed is compensated by parallel processing.
The last two cannot be handled digitally, because the "data" are abstractions, things that cannot be expressed in words, things that you cannot explain to someone else. Everybody has to experience those themselves to understand what they are.
Because you cannot express them in words or mathematical expressions, you cannot produce coding for it and let it be handled by a digital computer.
That is why all artificial intelligence projects have failed so far.
I am convinced, on basis of my experiences, that my emotions and self-awareness are handled by my soul.
At this point you are on the edge of religion, paranormal experiences, whatever and here rational discussion ends.
May 27 2012: Dear Tonio, there can be no doubt that you are a happy and confident extrovert and that you have no idea what it is to be an introvert.
Please consider how you would feel if you were colorblind and several times each day someone would remind you in a negative way of your inability to select the right color.
May 22 2012: Hi Christopher
First my reaction on your deleted comment.
There is no need to become angry or to use improper words. Anger is OK, but use its energy in a positive manner.
My subject is a very serious matter and it is a very serious error that official science states that the crust is floating on liquid magma.
This is the first step and long before step 10 we will be far beyond your imagination.
To you second comment:
The specific weight and the density of a gas depends on pressure, temperature and atomic/molecular weight. If different gases have the same pressure and temperature, then they have the same quantity of atoms/molecules per m3. The air we inhale has a weight of 1.4 kg/m3.Increase the pressure to 10,000 bar, then the density will be 14,000 kg/m3 and iron and even mercury will float on it
I have a nice, related problem for you. Get a copy of the “Map of Piri Reis”, have a long look at it and tell me 1) what is queer about that map and 2) what is the connection with Noah's Ark.
Solve the riddle and you will know that I really have a tiger by its tail.
May 22 2012: Hi Gabo and Derek
I prefer to call it 'a different vision'. I need a few steps to lay out the basics. Then I start to write the extrapolation and consequences.
If you wish, you might read a small story by visionair Jules Verne, title "Eternal Adam". It is a horrible and depressing story, as depressing as the reality was time and again and will be again.
And there are two very interesting books related to my subjects. "The Seven Daughters of Eve" by Bryan Sykes and "Modern Science in the Bible" by Ben Hobrink.
I'm not sure if we are still on the same line. The trenches are in the top side of the crust and are filled with seawater. The gases are under the crust, Between the two is some 60 km solid crust.
May 22 2012: Hi Timo
Sorry, you are right, I made an error here.
The gases will always mix. Then I wanted to say that, similar to the clouds in the sky, there might be clouds of molten material floating in the high pressure gas under the crust.
May 21 2012: Hi Derek
A change of language would not change the content.
I do not think in words but in abstractions and it is only after I have come to results that I translate the results to one of the languages I speak. The most important element of my text is that I completely disagree with several results of various sciences. And I'm confident that I'm correct because I got answers where those sciences fail to give answers. two examples, 1) geologists do not know how and where liquid lava is formed, 2) science has no explanation how mammoths got frozen standing up at at least two month walking from liquid water they need daily and from the food they have still undigested in their mouth and stomach.
I will supply that explanation in one of the next steps.
Would you please inform me what you do not understand in my text?
May 21 2012: Hi Jarred
One small correction: Gas is not always lighter than rock. Normal air, the kind we inhale, has a weight of 1.4 kg/m3. Increase the pressure to 20,000 bar and the weight runs up to 28,000 kg/m3. almost ten times heavier than rock. Increase the temperature to 2,000°C, then the gas expands to some 8 m3 and the specific weight goes down to some 3.500 kg/m3 which is definitely more than the some 3,000 kg/m3 of rock.
May 19 2012: All material will segregate according to their specific weight. some materials will mix, others, like water and fat will not mix. Gases will always mix. You can see hat in the sky, clouds, rain, hail. Under the crust, where the specific weights are in the range of tons/m3, it seems possible that there might exist clouds of molten sand.
Step to will go to the central core.
Step 3 is about the central core and there things are really weird.
May 19 2012: Hi Derek
According to the geology books the crust of the Earth has a thickness varying between 65 and 70 km. There are deep trenches in the oceans. The mechanism of floating is that the pressure of the liquid or gas under the floating object keeps the floating object from sinking. Differences in height and differences in thickness may cause various tensions which may or may not break up the floating object. Breaking up of the crust will immediately results in volcanic activity. Generally the crust is rather stable and any important instability is immediately worldwide on tv.
When crust is pushed under a tectonic plate it will start to melt. Once molten the components will segregate according to their specific weight.
I have no new theory about earthquakes, but don't be surprised if my story will shock the world.
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A comment on Conversation: Are we on the brink of creating a human-like digital mind?
My answer is: no, never. That has nothing to do with processing speed and has everything to do with the nature of the data that has to be processed.
The human mind has to handle four types of "data":
1. physical data to keep the body working properly.
2. physical calculations, like can I lift that box, jump that ditch?
3. emotions, like love, hate, sorrow, self-respect. (Please that note physical pain is not an emotion but a body-signal.)
4. self-awareness.
The first two can be handled by the brain, which is a digital computer; it works with pulses and what it lacks in speed is compensated by parallel processing.
The last two cannot be handled digitally, because the "data" are abstractions, things that cannot be expressed in words, things that you cannot explain to someone else. Everybody has to experience those themselves to understand what they are.
Because you cannot express them in words or mathematical expressions, you cannot produce coding for it and let it be handled by a digital computer.
That is why all artificial intelligence projects have failed so far.
I am convinced, on basis of my experiences, that my emotions and self-awareness are handled by my soul.
At this point you are on the edge of religion, paranormal experiences, whatever and here rational discussion ends.
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Please consider how you would feel if you were colorblind and several times each day someone would remind you in a negative way of your inability to select the right color.
A reply on Conversation: Lets reconsider the basics of several sciences. Step 1. The crust of our Earth is floating on...... On what?
First my reaction on your deleted comment.
There is no need to become angry or to use improper words. Anger is OK, but use its energy in a positive manner.
My subject is a very serious matter and it is a very serious error that official science states that the crust is floating on liquid magma.
This is the first step and long before step 10 we will be far beyond your imagination.
To you second comment:
The specific weight and the density of a gas depends on pressure, temperature and atomic/molecular weight. If different gases have the same pressure and temperature, then they have the same quantity of atoms/molecules per m3. The air we inhale has a weight of 1.4 kg/m3.Increase the pressure to 10,000 bar, then the density will be 14,000 kg/m3 and iron and even mercury will float on it
I have a nice, related problem for you. Get a copy of the “Map of Piri Reis”, have a long look at it and tell me 1) what is queer about that map and 2) what is the connection with Noah's Ark.
Solve the riddle and you will know that I really have a tiger by its tail.
A reply on Conversation: Lets reconsider the basics of several sciences. Step 1. The crust of our Earth is floating on...... On what?
I prefer to call it 'a different vision'. I need a few steps to lay out the basics. Then I start to write the extrapolation and consequences.
If you wish, you might read a small story by visionair Jules Verne, title "Eternal Adam". It is a horrible and depressing story, as depressing as the reality was time and again and will be again.
And there are two very interesting books related to my subjects. "The Seven Daughters of Eve" by Bryan Sykes and "Modern Science in the Bible" by Ben Hobrink.
A reply on Conversation: Lets reconsider the basics of several sciences. Step 1. The crust of our Earth is floating on...... On what?
I'm not sure if we are still on the same line. The trenches are in the top side of the crust and are filled with seawater. The gases are under the crust, Between the two is some 60 km solid crust.
A reply on Conversation: Lets reconsider the basics of several sciences. Step 1. The crust of our Earth is floating on...... On what?
Sorry, you are right, I made an error here.
The gases will always mix. Then I wanted to say that, similar to the clouds in the sky, there might be clouds of molten material floating in the high pressure gas under the crust.
A reply on Conversation: Lets reconsider the basics of several sciences. Step 1. The crust of our Earth is floating on...... On what?
A change of language would not change the content.
I do not think in words but in abstractions and it is only after I have come to results that I translate the results to one of the languages I speak. The most important element of my text is that I completely disagree with several results of various sciences. And I'm confident that I'm correct because I got answers where those sciences fail to give answers. two examples, 1) geologists do not know how and where liquid lava is formed, 2) science has no explanation how mammoths got frozen standing up at at least two month walking from liquid water they need daily and from the food they have still undigested in their mouth and stomach.
I will supply that explanation in one of the next steps.
Would you please inform me what you do not understand in my text?
A reply on Conversation: Lets reconsider the basics of several sciences. Step 1. The crust of our Earth is floating on...... On what?
One small correction: Gas is not always lighter than rock. Normal air, the kind we inhale, has a weight of 1.4 kg/m3. Increase the pressure to 20,000 bar and the weight runs up to 28,000 kg/m3. almost ten times heavier than rock. Increase the temperature to 2,000°C, then the gas expands to some 8 m3 and the specific weight goes down to some 3.500 kg/m3 which is definitely more than the some 3,000 kg/m3 of rock.
A reply on Conversation: Lets reconsider the basics of several sciences. Step 1. The crust of our Earth is floating on...... On what?
Step to will go to the central core.
Step 3 is about the central core and there things are really weird.
A reply on Conversation: Lets reconsider the basics of several sciences. Step 1. The crust of our Earth is floating on...... On what?
According to the geology books the crust of the Earth has a thickness varying between 65 and 70 km. There are deep trenches in the oceans. The mechanism of floating is that the pressure of the liquid or gas under the floating object keeps the floating object from sinking. Differences in height and differences in thickness may cause various tensions which may or may not break up the floating object. Breaking up of the crust will immediately results in volcanic activity. Generally the crust is rather stable and any important instability is immediately worldwide on tv.
When crust is pushed under a tectonic plate it will start to melt. Once molten the components will segregate according to their specific weight.
I have no new theory about earthquakes, but don't be surprised if my story will shock the world.