And now, I have to think for a day or two. Try not to "should" on myself..smile.. Let you guys know what I'm thinking in a couple of days. Thanks Splash
hmmm. Focus.. by communicating with you guys and gals, I'm thinking that being that there are many helpful programs for the ex-con and examining where "my" problem started, perhaps I should shift my focus, and direction of thought, towards an earlier time in the ex-convicts life and family exsperiance, in the family court arena. Of course we could try help impliment the Vermont Ex-con program in other states, God, knows some states do nothing.
But, my exsperiances, as Kate stated, is that the real failure of the "system" starts in family court and exstends from there. The horror and abuse these systems put human beings through, I've exsperianced first hand, and perhaps that's what I'm trying to exspress, with hope that by shinning a light on the facts, we can find an avenue to address and stop what I refer to as "the treadmill of failure" of the system.
Colleen, I kinda owe you an apology. When you invited me to a conferance, I was distracted and even more confused by this process then I am now, if that's not to hard to believe..smile.. What I should of said instead of "I'd like to think about it", is, Thank You and I would be honored. So, Thank You. Of course, to choose the appropriet conferance, with my lack of knoledge might be difficult. So, if you have any suggestions, I would be grateful.
Mar 16 2013: http://www.amazon.com/Why-Quantum-Physicists-Fail-ebook/dp/B00AXUUOUS/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1363431586&sr=1-1&keywords=why+quantum+physicists+do+not+fail
I recently read the above book and certainly opened my eyes to many things that I need to know. Splash is the main charater, Enjoy if you're so inclined.
Please forgive me if I have been less then capable in exspressing myself. I never intended to exspress qualms, but, do try to reach for an understanding of myself and what "my" true challange is when communicating. You last sentence about my solutions becomming clearer is probubly closer to what is happening to me, although I seem to be the last to know it..smile..
Hopefully with some humility, I can say that as you said, yes, I am one of the very few that have come out the other end of my history, of a shattered family, and it's a matter of public record where that brought me.
I'm learning with all of us Kate. Again Thank You.
Seems I'm not the only early riser..smile.. Thanks for the insight. I'll be thinking about what you've said and if I decide to start that conversation, hopefully, will approach it better then I did this one. But, I have learned a lot, first of all, that there are good people that truly do care, and secondly, like yourself, thoose people do have a lot more exsperiance then I do. But, being part of the conversation with you great, yes, I said great, people isn't what I exspected. This arena of TED seems to be a place where our "notes don't get shreaded" so to speak.
So, I'm going to think on these things we speak of, maybe be more aware this time, do a little research, and be somewhat more effectual, both in my target topic, and facts.
Part of a solution? Your comments, as well as others, have forced me to think about that "before" I start.
Thanks.... Splash If you've read the book, Quantum Physics, it never fails, You'll know what Splash means.
Sorry it took a bit for me to respond, thinking on things.
Yes, Random, Carolyn, and Colleen have been a wealth of support and wisdom. But, don’t think for a moment that you cannot add to the experience. Just your years working within the child protection agency’s is beyond what I would know about.
It’s been somewhat of a rude awakening that my original topic has changed focus and purpose. I’m now struggling with starting a new conversation because of what I’ve learned from all of you. Perhaps: "Families and Children Headed to Criminal Court". If anyone knows of any state programs such as the one that Colleen sent me geared toward my original topic, but, on young families and children affected by family court systems and institutions, I’d appreciate getting that.
As for my original topic, Colleen sent me a site from a conversation started by Mark Johnson, which seems to be a fantastic program that addresses my original concerns of what we need to change, and I’d love to see that program go nationwide. http://www.vtfa.com/publications/fifteenyear.pdf Kind of restores my faith that things may be headed in the right direction with the justice system.
Reading your comments about, Resources, not being available. I wonder, as in the case of Vermont’s efforts, if there are any states that are making different efforts? As for invasiveness and judgments, don’t we do that to a lessor or more degree every day in family courts across the nation?
My conscious dictates that I think before I start a new conversation, but, more information may change of modify that conversation of the subject matter. So, if anyone has any information about family courts, new or effectual programs geared to that, I’d appreciate that.
Been thinking on things for awhile, trying to understand if I have the energy to start a new conversation that's more directed to my ideas. I don't need to tell you that seeing our history can be very draining. But, one thing I'm sure of, is that this conversation has been not only awakening, but also has restored my faith that there are a lot of good people in this. I thank everyone for the comments and suggestions. I truly believe this started with an intent of the well being of others, and even if misdirected and confused, it was the intent that counts. Thank You... Frank
Mar 10 2013: PS: As this unfolds, I'm seeing that I should probubly change my topic to perhaps, "Families and Children Headed to Criminal Court" As you can see, This is coming out in a very differant way then I had assumed it would. My original idea had nothing to do with my arrival at a surficing goal. Let's just keep exchanging ideas and see where it leads. Thanks for your support.. Frank
Again, your kindness supersedes my lack of exsperiance and knoledge.
I did check out the discussions being had on the sites, and my view is that the first two are people venting and knowing what the problems are. The third site I checked out was much more beneficial for my awareness that we do have some very good programs going on that I wasn't even aware of. I truly hope, instead of statewide, some of thoose programs can go nationwide.
But, my ideas have more to do with the families in early distress and young children that are in that life, and what we might be able to do about that. That's where it starts, before they hit the "justice system". Family courts are overloaded with these "cases" headed to criminal court.
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And now, I have to think for a day or two. Try not to "should" on myself..smile.. Let you guys know what I'm thinking in a couple of days. Thanks Splash
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hmmm. Focus.. by communicating with you guys and gals, I'm thinking that being that there are many helpful programs for the ex-con and examining where "my" problem started, perhaps I should shift my focus, and direction of thought, towards an earlier time in the ex-convicts life and family exsperiance, in the family court arena. Of course we could try help impliment the Vermont Ex-con program in other states, God, knows some states do nothing.
But, my exsperiances, as Kate stated, is that the real failure of the "system" starts in family court and exstends from there. The horror and abuse these systems put human beings through, I've exsperianced first hand, and perhaps that's what I'm trying to exspress, with hope that by shinning a light on the facts, we can find an avenue to address and stop what I refer to as "the treadmill of failure" of the system.
Colleen, I kinda owe you an apology. When you invited me to a conferance, I was distracted and even more confused by this process then I am now, if that's not to hard to believe..smile.. What I should of said instead of "I'd like to think about it", is, Thank You and I would be honored. So, Thank You. Of course, to choose the appropriet conferance, with my lack of knoledge might be difficult. So, if you have any suggestions, I would be grateful.
Thanks.. Splash
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I recently read the above book and certainly opened my eyes to many things that I need to know. Splash is the main charater, Enjoy if you're so inclined.
Please forgive me if I have been less then capable in exspressing myself. I never intended to exspress qualms, but, do try to reach for an understanding of myself and what "my" true challange is when communicating. You last sentence about my solutions becomming clearer is probubly closer to what is happening to me, although I seem to be the last to know it..smile..
Hopefully with some humility, I can say that as you said, yes, I am one of the very few that have come out the other end of my history, of a shattered family, and it's a matter of public record where that brought me.
I'm learning with all of us Kate. Again Thank You.
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Seems I'm not the only early riser..smile.. Thanks for the insight. I'll be thinking about what you've said and if I decide to start that conversation, hopefully, will approach it better then I did this one. But, I have learned a lot, first of all, that there are good people that truly do care, and secondly, like yourself, thoose people do have a lot more exsperiance then I do. But, being part of the conversation with you great, yes, I said great, people isn't what I exspected. This arena of TED seems to be a place where our "notes don't get shreaded" so to speak.
So, I'm going to think on these things we speak of, maybe be more aware this time, do a little research, and be somewhat more effectual, both in my target topic, and facts.
Part of a solution? Your comments, as well as others, have forced me to think about that "before" I start.
Thanks.... Splash If you've read the book, Quantum Physics, it never fails, You'll know what Splash means.
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But, Thank You Colleen, as always thoughtfull and kind you are.
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Sorry it took a bit for me to respond, thinking on things.
Yes, Random, Carolyn, and Colleen have been a wealth of support and wisdom. But, don’t think for a moment that you cannot add to the experience. Just your years working within the child protection agency’s is beyond what I would know about.
It’s been somewhat of a rude awakening that my original topic has changed focus and purpose. I’m now struggling with starting a new conversation because of what I’ve learned from all of you. Perhaps: "Families and Children Headed to Criminal Court". If anyone knows of any state programs such as the one that Colleen sent me geared toward my original topic, but, on young families and children affected by family court systems and institutions, I’d appreciate getting that.
As for my original topic, Colleen sent me a site from a conversation started by Mark Johnson, which seems to be a fantastic program that addresses my original concerns of what we need to change, and I’d love to see that program go nationwide. http://www.vtfa.com/publications/fifteenyear.pdf Kind of restores my faith that things may be headed in the right direction with the justice system.
Reading your comments about, Resources, not being available. I wonder, as in the case of Vermont’s efforts, if there are any states that are making different efforts? As for invasiveness and judgments, don’t we do that to a lessor or more degree every day in family courts across the nation?
My conscious dictates that I think before I start a new conversation, but, more information may change of modify that conversation of the subject matter. So, if anyone has any information about family courts, new or effectual programs geared to that, I’d appreciate that.
Again, I thank everyone for your input.
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Been thinking on things for awhile, trying to understand if I have the energy to start a new conversation that's more directed to my ideas. I don't need to tell you that seeing our history can be very draining. But, one thing I'm sure of, is that this conversation has been not only awakening, but also has restored my faith that there are a lot of good people in this. I thank everyone for the comments and suggestions. I truly believe this started with an intent of the well being of others, and even if misdirected and confused, it was the intent that counts. Thank You... Frank
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Again, your kindness supersedes my lack of exsperiance and knoledge.
I did check out the discussions being had on the sites, and my view is that the first two are people venting and knowing what the problems are. The third site I checked out was much more beneficial for my awareness that we do have some very good programs going on that I wasn't even aware of. I truly hope, instead of statewide, some of thoose programs can go nationwide.
But, my ideas have more to do with the families in early distress and young children that are in that life, and what we might be able to do about that. That's where it starts, before they hit the "justice system". Family courts are overloaded with these "cases" headed to criminal court.
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I will listen attentely to them and will let you know what I think. Very thoughtful of you.