Feb 25 2012: women need man space too ....its just ego space a sapce to call your own..and more men have that than women who just have to get used to sleeping surrounded by needy creatures and snoring hairy creatures...cos we dont have time to build a hut out back...but damned if women dont need this too....so boo to calling them man spaces...theyre ego spaces. the space expresses their identidy and womens identity gets swallowed up by work and family so much so that when the kids leave we dont even know what music we like anymore....
Feb 16 2012: i think your intuitively correct in that but as you aslo say the power structure itself is a male shaped thing ....and really what women excel at is complicated heirarchies not linear ones we excell at inclusive comunities not exclusive ones. as you say thatcher had to cut off her tits to join the club but we are free to create our own clubs now and disengage with male shaped governance we have room to man or womaneuvre and build alternative structures which build our own wealth based on need to provide for our kids food shelter etc and not profit nad bussiness which is meaningless to a hungry child. we have many practical abilities which even the normal man on the street cant get his head around like how to cook a potatoe cos theyre off in the clouds and just sticking a fifty percent limit on the amount of men in power i think is unfair. theres not as amany women in politics for a start and its a free vote if people wanted to vote for a woman they would but if you had to have ewuality forced i dont think thats a good thing. imagine we had to have sarah palin hand in hand with obama jsut to make things fair? do you really think women need to be handed the equality? just to make things fair? like its a bit patronizing..or matronizing perhaps.
Feb 15 2012: i think that both sexes have been repressed in many ways and that if you cling to the idea that women are repressed and men arent then your not seeing the whole picture... the whole of society has been built on power and violence its how we got where we are today and perhaps nessisarily so but its certainly where we are moving away from now and towards the future to a more equitable society for all men women children how about letting children go into power they are very sweet .... and will cut through any economically complex problem tot he heart of the matter ....they wont uphold anything overcomplicated because they wont understand iit and they will just see children dying in africa and say lets give them money and food and water.... great! there are certainly problems related to domination..but it is domination which is the key not whos dominating who... for instance there is a market amount of jews in banking should we say there must be less jews in power in banking becuase it in not equal or should we say that banking should become more compassionate as a whole and work towards a better system regardless of who or what race or what gender runs that system.? the subordination of women has in the past also benifited women and just as the system of domination gives out tokens it has given men token powers but these are just tricks andbadges men do not have real power they have been given th eillusionof power that they might better be kept quiet just as a man might give some money to his wife to stop her complaining baout the real issues so man is given totems of power because they like power its as shiney to them as a pair of jimmy choos to us and we are given nice things to buy and they are given nice jobs where they can feel powerfull while conforming to the system quietly... mans power is hush money... so ithink you need to see through what youve been taught about men and really question its validity in an equal society...
Feb 15 2012: i dont think thats true and im wondering what your basing that idea on? as i think you were already asked? we would expect a man to uphold his claims that all women were some way or another and i expect you to do the same. just becuase your a woman doenst mean you can go around saying things that sound nice with no evidence. andi would go further to say how dare you deny me a woman the right to be everything a man is and more! any violence man can do i can do better i can do anything better than you...no you cant... yes i can... so your really limeting women by saying we are not violent. also your overlooking the fact that men are totally repressed in our society as well... and have not had the abliity to express their true nature and therefore have had create things like the underground porn industry and prostitution to secretly fullfill needs that we should accept are part of their nature....men are as repressed for example they are not supposed to express emotion but thats fine for a woman...what does that do to our society? we have a society with as its formation many years of control over our moral relational and familial lives down to a nessesity perhaps at the time to coelesc power and the only means of doing that to exploit and control both men and women their relations their bodies etc... if you want equality you have to start thinking equally first before anything in the world can change. if you yourself have such prejudiced beliefs about men and women then how can you expect the world to be any different? think of all the men who are expected to be violent without question and put down if they are not..people whove been forced to perform violence to women and violence to others just to be accepted in society ..like soldiers who are expected to go to war and kill and not cry about it. many vets are psychologically disturbed by that and even in more subtle ways we uphold these ideas as if they were truth without question. where did these ideas come from?
Feb 10 2012: maybe theyre not all christians but theyre certainly influenced by their religious beliefs rather than by anything else since i dont think theres a sexual moral code apart from religion which could be guiding them... even the fat that they feel the need to lay down the law on someone elses body is a religious undertone in itself..thats what religions do they lay down as law things which they think should be the way things are or how people should behave... and that is universal in religion there are alsways codes which refer to peoples bodies what they eat who wehn and how they have sex and these codes become law.. there is no other basis for these laws other than them being an extension of moral codes.
Feb 10 2012: there is no moral obligation as far as they are not following any moral obligation that i can see. the bottom line is profit... in general... the bottom line for many people as individuals is also profit..it is something within us all...for instance youa re using a computer i perume or i phone to type these wrods the factory that made the computer was likely in sen xin the chinese factory city where most electrical goods come from and where people are working 35 hour shifts getting carpel tunnels syndrome etc etc etc the list goes on... so have you no moral obligation to boycott all products that cause damage to epople and the environment?...it is only a little thing but all the littel things add up to a big corporation..we want cheap laptops the way to get them is to produce them in a country that doesnt care whether its people or environmnet suffer we want cheap feul so unless you have never used petrol how can you accuse big corporations of self interest... if you cant change yourself who can you change ? if you wish to profit above the suffering of anyon eevn in a small way then a corporation is just the sum total of allwe can hope is thpeople doing so in small ways ...but obviously if we coudlnt type on our computers we couldnt have this converstation and share what we have...if they werent burning and destroying the wetlands of my country home to man yspecies i could not have electricity to power this exchange. i am not willing to give up this profit i am making for the people whoar esuffering ro for the land or for the birds and neither is anyone else...but the best we can do is to demand better and better fo our corporations untill such time as these things even out and we can use the energy we have no which is exploitative to create better energy supplies.. really it is hard work and self sacrifice to give up something you like which is produced unethically inthe hope that someone will produce it ethically instead.but alternatives are being born support em!
Feb 10 2012: you cannot sit in power and create equality equality and power do not mix. if one creates power one also creates its opposite weakness and that is not equality equality may never be a realistic outcome but lets be sure of the ideal at least and not mistake equality for anything which can contain power or weakness... like untity which anhialiates opposites equality anhialates inequality and power supoorts teh cycle of inequality and helps it to turn the wheel has turned to favour sometimes this and sometimes that sometimes one is winning sometimes losing but in an equal and unified state {which im not convinced can exist but still its an ideal worth trying for} there are no winners and losers. but just as there will always be difference among men and women perhaps there will always be winners and losers oppressors and oppressed violateor and victim perhpas this is the duality inherent in our existence... but i hope something close to equality can be acheived by integrating as much as we can just as men and women can come to know themselves more wholely by accepting their male facets if a woman and vice versa... such people are very attractive because they can connect with men and women in a different way than anyone stuck in their stereotype and rejecting theri own male attributes or subverting their feminine... so if people cna integrate male and female within themselves perhaps it spossible to integrate power and weakness within and maybe also without on a social level.
Feb 10 2012: my dear boy you underestimate us...we are extremely powerful creatures and form extreme alliances and networks and can use our power to equal destructive use as men..in fact men employ many feminine powers to acheive their aims of evil so ithink just as that elven lady said to frodo do not tempt me instead of a dark lord you should have a terrible qween and all would bow benteath me..the thing is to destroy the ring of power..the circle of power the circle of power and weakness by burning it in the fire from whence it come the fire of knowledge perhpas..self knowledge?... and it is mostly the humble {more so than weak} who take the job of frodo and attempt to drag it through to the firre..as thos who would reballance power rather than relinquish it and in doing so relinquish weakness will inevitably be corrupted by it. so to each invividual comes the enormous taks to let go of power and weakness and the cycle of painand suffereing that comes from it...and that apraoch is non violence but also non weakness standong ones ground however small...
Feb 10 2012: we dont need violence to transfer power... we just need to stop giving it away all the time.. if youve ever been in a realtionshipw here there is a power struggle.... you fight when you feel weak usually you are angry because you gave some power away and then someone took advantage... say you gave up going out with friends to meet your lover but then they meet theri friends and decide to change their plans ..you get mad and you fight and there is power struggle because you have given someone power and they have abused it..so you fight to win back that power..it doesn work usually he will be defensive after all he si only looking out for his own interests ...whats wrong with that... nothing so long as i do the same. so i think the macro reflects the micro in a lot of ways... we are told to do what is accepted we do it but we have different desires and we get frustrated and they build up and we then blow up at the restricting forces and demand change... but we could just as easily assert ourselves consitently and individually...part of the reflected process is that we all fear to assert ourselves alone..we dont think our voice will be heard if we speak out alone ...even among those who propose leaving these restricted social paradigms behind they bring with them the fear of individualism... and take on a reflection of the powerfull one and fight it...and really the powerfull system we see as so established is only a lot of people ordinary humans...like you and me... and
theres also this thing in jung..about the shadow ..so you have a psotive self image or ego part and you say this is me i believe this...you also at the same time create a shadow part...which you usually ascribe to your enemy..so you say i am a good vagan they are a bad meateater... rather than understanding the meateater within yourself you disidentify with it...so we disidentify with our enemies rather than see that theyre faults are our faults our strengths are therye strengths...
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theres also this thing in jung..about the shadow ..so you have a psotive self image or ego part and you say this is me i believe this...you also at the same time create a shadow part...which you usually ascribe to your enemy..so you say i am a good vagan they are a bad meateater... rather than understanding the meateater within yourself you disidentify with it...so we disidentify with our enemies rather than see that theyre faults are our faults our strengths are therye strengths...