Joseph Jahn

Valsted, Denmark

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Joseph Jahn
Posted over 3 years ago
Is the superior Northern European social model applicable to all societies?
Nice expose on the art of stat manipulations. All the shifting has but one purpose, to avoid contributing to the common good. I don't blame anyone in the US for doing that as they see that their money in the aggregate is not used responsibly. The amount used in the Bush ego war in Iraq would run a sensible Nordic State for years. (Yes our nutty politicians participate in that power play also). So all this wrangling back and forth brings us back to the proposal of this thread. Would the Norther Model work for the US ? And the answer is still no. What will work ? A return to state sovereignty ? A libertarian way of life (Ron Paul). Or simply let the evolutionary forces take the US where it will ? Or is the state of the Union sound and working as it should ? Since Ron Paul is being marginalized by the Corporate Press I don't thanks that dog will ever be in the hunt. So my bet is on total slow meltdown over a number of years, prolonged just long enough for the Multinationals to shift their assets out of the country. Of course they still need people to sell to so the US will remain a consumer market targeted country but that happens no matter what kind of government, short of communist, there exists. So don't look to the people or Democracy of the US to determine it's fate, look to the Boardrooms for the future to be determined. (adding this later as a thought) Maybe they will decide to throw out some bones and bring some manufacturing jobs back to the US ? Just to calm the populous and bring back a false sense of hope, so they can continue to generate tax shifting wealth, Not a bad idea. Do it during a presidential period where they see benefit in supporting the government and making it *look good*. Another example just so the Northern Model doesn't look all that clean. We have a problem with University students getting a free education and a subsidized Upper Graduate degree in the US, staying in the US and never coming back to Denmark to contribute the the society.
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Joseph Jahn
Posted over 3 years ago
Is the superior Northern European social model applicable to all societies?
Philosopher kings the rulers, or Guardians, of Plato's Utopian benevolent dictator, often considered ,in the past the best form of government, until of course the second word got a very bad name, and the first word became joke. Democracy is very fragile and unless carefully nurtured can lead the mob/majority rule. And to be a Democracy does not mean to be wise, the Germans elected Uncle Adolf in a free democratic election.
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Joseph Jahn
Posted over 3 years ago
Is the superior Northern European social model applicable to all societies?
evolved past archaic religious ideologies. Yes, evolved to being Christians without a belief in God (new concepts are hard to comprehend) and without help from the Bible. Just as the non practicing Jew is still a Jew, I am a non practicing Catholic and am still a catholic. I don't believe in the Catholic God, nor do I believe in the Infallibility of the Pope and yet I'm still culturally, mentally, and legally a Catholic . Now you would/might say I can not be a Catholic and not believe in the Infallibility of the Pope, it's the dogma (truth) of the Catholic Church. So lets just say, no your wrong I am a Catholic having been baptized and confirm a Catholic. There are a lot of words for it, non practicing, lapsed, sinful and so on, however until I am formally excommunicated from the church I am a Catholic. The Lutherans, to my knowledge have no formal * kicking out* dogma. Nice to have your voice in here Linda,I though my wagon was surrounded. Your statements are considerably less augmentative than mine, I tend to go off the deep end at times.
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Joseph Jahn
Posted over 3 years ago
Is the superior Northern European social model applicable to all societies?
I am using Christianity as a cultural and social construct, so it does not mater how many do not believe in God, all that matter is the construct of a CHRISTIAN culture. Yes, science is not rational on the level of quantum physics at the present time, or are you saying that every survey you've seen in the last year has shown that all people *believe* in an 11-dimensional universe. To state this one more time, the non belief in a god does not meant *I am not a Christian* And if they asked the question of the Swedes * Are you a Christian* the survey would reflect the true nature of the culture and social structure. And I don't mind if you don't reply. You say in *formation* like it's a fact, like the science is in, like climate change is man-made like the world is round, like there are only 3 dimensions. Don't mind me I only dream of a world open enough to contain no opinions.
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Joseph Jahn
Posted over 3 years ago
Is the superior Northern European social model applicable to all societies?
In reply to pat gilbert The 1% ters has gone up 240% But let it be, my point was that nature law, or let the markets take care of it does not cure problems people and governments do. My point about Mao was that his natural law was the gun, he did not think *things will work themselves out" as it was the point of all the others I listed. There must be action/intervention not passive *things will right themselves* *Sub prime loans were a product of socialistic policies started by Carter, Clinton, Franks, Dodds, the Federal Reserve under Greenspan* What makes you think that they are not part of Corporate America ? Because they tell you so ? Ask Clinton where all the Haiti feel good money he collected went :-) Or the FED for a list of Banks they paid off. Carter is about the only one of that bunch that could be scum free, but look how far that got him. One term, your out,....next. "What happens in your Denmark if the authorities decide something is not an official sanctioned procedure?" Danes then use their own savings or collect money on social networks and goto Germany or China for the operation/procedure.........the same as American importing non FDA approved drugs from Mexico Anyway, nice chatting with ya, but I think we might be wearing out our welcome at TED (?)
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Joseph Jahn
Posted over 3 years ago
Is the superior Northern European social model applicable to all societies?
"The cause of the healthcare problems are created by government " Oh boy I'm done. Better get rich cus you'll need it to pay the insurance and big pharma, they love folks that buy into the free market hoax. Lord help you if you ever get a major illness, They will take everything you and your family has worked for all your life. And point out to you, it's a natural law, they own the cure and you pay or suffer. "Like it or not natural law fixes most things" Mao is laughing in heaven. History is certainly not on your side pat. Natural Law missed these: Asbestos Berni Madoff Sub prim loans cancer Greed Concentration camps Starvation The rise of the rich and the end of the US Middle class Corporate takeover of the US political system. Media as a propaganda machine etc. Ah well nature can't be everywhere.
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Joseph Jahn
Posted almost 4 years ago
Is the superior Northern European social model applicable to all societies?
You meant rational Christians. Just as I mean rational scientist when I say Quantum Physicist who also leave archaic scientific ideologies in the past. Can you not hold the paradox of a christian who does not believe in God in your hand ? Then you'll have a hard time with particles and waves existing at the same time. not to mention the 11-dimensional M-theory, which requires spacetime to have eleven dimensions. Surly a talking snake is possible in perhaps one of these dimensions (?) :-) Here is the first line of that wiki *The demographics of atheism are difficult to quantify* In Denmark you most be Baptized and Confirmed to be a member of the Church, In the first case of baptism your parents must swear you believe, in the second case of confirmation you must swear you believe. So for me all the poll shows is that Danes are lairs at their confirmation or they have changed their minds I do not know how good or challenge the findings of the Eurostat Eurobarometer poll. I simply know the real statistics of membership in the Lutheran Church of Denmark and that is at present 80% of the population. Of course it's tradition, but active belief is not necessary to consider yourself a Christian. If the Eurostat Eurobarometer poll had asked are you a member of a Christian church the poll would reflect the cultural structure of the Danish society and that's what is important any society. Culture is the most important factor in this discussion and the poll only show that Denmark has a culture of freedom where you can say *I don't believe in God* and still support the existence of a State Christian Church. The weakness or the strength in any given millennium of the belief in a god is not relevant in a rational society, that's the Northern Model. Unlike the US where the state does not dare disregard the irrational beliefs of the Christian Bible Thumpers