Oct 22 2011: What if, what if smokers were required to "turn in butts to be able to buy new cigarettes?"
I think a pack of cigarettes have quantity of 20 per pack, so you would need to turn in 20 butts to be able to buy a new pack.
If you want to sell cigarettes then you have to be able to turn in those butts, to be able to get your supplies. This would easily keep the butts off the streets. Similar to a used tire or used battery when buying a new one.
If you do not turn in the required butts, then you pay a tax that goes toward cleaning up cig butts.
Side note, I'm a small business owner and one day I was walking to my store and was coming up behind a police car when I saw the officer roll down the window and throw out a cigarette butt. I nicely walked up to the window and told him how we were trying our best to keep the parking lot clean and would he mind getting out and picking up that cigarette butt.
He did get out and pick it up, to be honest I may have handed it to him thru the window, but either way it was back in his car for him to deal with.
Can I get some thumbs up for that one?
Oct 13 2011: To me the "example" that I talked about makes sense to me.
I know that you mentioned ",..... but it is just impossible to proof(sic)anything when done "just for conjecture" and with pretending."
But there really is nothing wrong with using illustrations or examples of things that do not really exist to try to explain a theory.
What I was originally thinking was that a person will always make the decision that causes the "least resistance" "in their mind" for example: ( and this would work with anyone, on any level) Mother Theresa, Ghandi, etc etc basically HAD to do the things that they did, acted the way they did, AS doing anything else, would have been a harder choice for them to make, mentally.
For Mother Theresa to not care daily for those in India ,would have made her a miserable woman.
Please understand that I am not in any way saying that they took the easy road, that is just the way that they had to be, to be satisfied with their life.
Anyway, that is what started me to thinking about how we must follow a certain course. To me it makes sense.
Oct 7 2011: Luiz,
It takes a while to get to the part where I thought about your idea.
In case you have not watched it yet, let me outline the video so you will know if it should be viewed in it's entirety.
Basically the speaker has trained Crows to find loose coins lost around towns and to bring them back to a self built vending machine that will feed the Crow a peanut ( think it was a peanut) when a coin is dropped into a slot.
This might not be the most practical method of collecting butts, but thought it was worth a view.
Phil
Oct 6 2011: Luiz,
Funny you mention this, I think that I viewed the perfect talk the other day here on TED that would help round them up.
Check it out.....
http://blog.ted.com/2008/05/13/joshua_klein/
Phil
Oct 5 2011: Adriaan,
Interesting thoughts,
What are your thoughts about the question regarding the :Universes "A & B" being in sync with one another with one even shadowing perfectly the other at a later date?
I think that it is true, that it is not possible to run this theory in a lab, just for conjecture. But lets pretend that we could do that mentioned in the original post.
If you think that the Universes "A & B" would be in sync, then would not this prove that the decision being made, have to be made that way, and if not, then, in my thought process, the cloning was not perfect since at the moment the decisions were not running in sync, something must have been different between the 2 Universes.
I've read on another post regarding "Fate" a answer that mentioned "Cause and effect"
I"m not saying that I think that there is a higher power that has already planned everything for us in advance and this power is just letting it play out.
What I'm saying is that there is not other choice we can make, other than the one that we do make.
How can it be otherwise?
Oct 5 2011: Michael,
I would thank you for replying, but I know you could not help yourself anyway.
All kidding aside, you mentioned "The corollary is that, if humans are just physical beings, then they too are completely a product of the physical rules. In that sense, we would have no "free will."
And "Chaos theory says that this is not necessarily so if the two sets of initial conditions or interaction rules differ, even if it is ever so slightly"
If things were to, somehow, veer off course from each other, would there not have to had been a "slight difference" somewhere?
Even as small as a thought being ever so different, could in my opinion, cause a change. But the thought being different would in my theory(probably not mine) could be found out that there was something not "the same"
I do appreciate your thoughts, and I am so glad that I have found this site, very interesting , heady stuff.
Oct 4 2011: I asked a similar question here,
http://www.ted.com/conversations/6105/are_we_bound_by_destiny_or_c.html
It shares my idea as to whether or not there is fate, destiny etc,..
Thank you for responding,
I brought up the idea of a cloned universe just for the sake of reasoning between the 2 universes and I forgot to clarify with the comment:
"and since these 2 universes are not dependent on each other, would the fact that one does not really exist change this concept of the other STILL having to go the same path as it would IF there were 2?"
I think that being able to compare the "idea" of having 2 identical universes somehow makes it easier to understand, or at least for me to be able to try to explain my thoughts.
Additional comments?
( I was able to edit the original post to include this omission.)
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A comment on Conversation: Recycling cigarette filters
I think a pack of cigarettes have quantity of 20 per pack, so you would need to turn in 20 butts to be able to buy a new pack.
If you want to sell cigarettes then you have to be able to turn in those butts, to be able to get your supplies. This would easily keep the butts off the streets. Similar to a used tire or used battery when buying a new one.
If you do not turn in the required butts, then you pay a tax that goes toward cleaning up cig butts.
Side note, I'm a small business owner and one day I was walking to my store and was coming up behind a police car when I saw the officer roll down the window and throw out a cigarette butt. I nicely walked up to the window and told him how we were trying our best to keep the parking lot clean and would he mind getting out and picking up that cigarette butt.
He did get out and pick it up, to be honest I may have handed it to him thru the window, but either way it was back in his car for him to deal with.
Can I get some thumbs up for that one?
A reply on Conversation: Are we bound by destiny? Or can we actually make a choice, other than that we are "destined" to make? ( if destiny exist)
I know that you mentioned ",..... but it is just impossible to proof(sic)anything when done "just for conjecture" and with pretending."
But there really is nothing wrong with using illustrations or examples of things that do not really exist to try to explain a theory.
What I was originally thinking was that a person will always make the decision that causes the "least resistance" "in their mind" for example: ( and this would work with anyone, on any level) Mother Theresa, Ghandi, etc etc basically HAD to do the things that they did, acted the way they did, AS doing anything else, would have been a harder choice for them to make, mentally.
For Mother Theresa to not care daily for those in India ,would have made her a miserable woman.
Please understand that I am not in any way saying that they took the easy road, that is just the way that they had to be, to be satisfied with their life.
Anyway, that is what started me to thinking about how we must follow a certain course. To me it makes sense.
A comment on Conversation: Recycling cigarette filters
It takes a while to get to the part where I thought about your idea.
In case you have not watched it yet, let me outline the video so you will know if it should be viewed in it's entirety.
Basically the speaker has trained Crows to find loose coins lost around towns and to bring them back to a self built vending machine that will feed the Crow a peanut ( think it was a peanut) when a coin is dropped into a slot.
This might not be the most practical method of collecting butts, but thought it was worth a view.
Phil
A reply on Conversation: Are we bound by destiny? Or can we actually make a choice, other than that we are "destined" to make? ( if destiny exist)
Will research some of these terms you present.
Thanks,
Phil
A comment on Conversation: Recycling cigarette filters
Funny you mention this, I think that I viewed the perfect talk the other day here on TED that would help round them up.
Check it out.....
http://blog.ted.com/2008/05/13/joshua_klein/
Phil
A reply on Conversation: Are we bound by destiny? Or can we actually make a choice, other than that we are "destined" to make? ( if destiny exist)
Interesting thoughts,
What are your thoughts about the question regarding the :Universes "A & B" being in sync with one another with one even shadowing perfectly the other at a later date?
I think that it is true, that it is not possible to run this theory in a lab, just for conjecture. But lets pretend that we could do that mentioned in the original post.
If you think that the Universes "A & B" would be in sync, then would not this prove that the decision being made, have to be made that way, and if not, then, in my thought process, the cloning was not perfect since at the moment the decisions were not running in sync, something must have been different between the 2 Universes.
I've read on another post regarding "Fate" a answer that mentioned "Cause and effect"
I"m not saying that I think that there is a higher power that has already planned everything for us in advance and this power is just letting it play out.
What I'm saying is that there is not other choice we can make, other than the one that we do make.
How can it be otherwise?
A comment on Conversation: Are we bound by destiny? Or can we actually make a choice, other than that we are "destined" to make? ( if destiny exist)
I would thank you for replying, but I know you could not help yourself anyway.
All kidding aside, you mentioned "The corollary is that, if humans are just physical beings, then they too are completely a product of the physical rules. In that sense, we would have no "free will."
And "Chaos theory says that this is not necessarily so if the two sets of initial conditions or interaction rules differ, even if it is ever so slightly"
If things were to, somehow, veer off course from each other, would there not have to had been a "slight difference" somewhere?
Even as small as a thought being ever so different, could in my opinion, cause a change. But the thought being different would in my theory(probably not mine) could be found out that there was something not "the same"
I do appreciate your thoughts, and I am so glad that I have found this site, very interesting , heady stuff.
A comment on Conversation: In your own words how do you explain fate and also do you believe in fate?
http://www.ted.com/conversations/6105/are_we_bound_by_destiny_or_c.html
It shares my idea as to whether or not there is fate, destiny etc,..
A reply on Conversation: Are we bound by destiny? Or can we actually make a choice, other than that we are "destined" to make? ( if destiny exist)
Thank you for responding,
I brought up the idea of a cloned universe just for the sake of reasoning between the 2 universes and I forgot to clarify with the comment:
"and since these 2 universes are not dependent on each other, would the fact that one does not really exist change this concept of the other STILL having to go the same path as it would IF there were 2?"
I think that being able to compare the "idea" of having 2 identical universes somehow makes it easier to understand, or at least for me to be able to try to explain my thoughts.
Additional comments?
( I was able to edit the original post to include this omission.)