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why does the Libyan revolution look as a failure?
The Arab waves of revolution carried away Kadhafi's rule. However, according to some analysts, this country was doomed to further divisions once the common ennemy was no longer there. This week, the Eastern part of Libya declared itself independent. And it wants to be able to decide over its own destiny. In all this move, the NTC in Tripoli accused foreign forces to be behind such a separation. Can we say that we need another revolution to unite Libya or is it good the way it is with the East separated from the West? Can we say that the common front that was fought to topple down Kadhafi is soon forgotten? Or really there is foreign powers who want to use the old way 'divide-to-rule' so that they can exploit the wealth hidden in the East? What is the way forward now?
Ken brown 30+
Rhona Pavis 50+
Your response to Heather and me seems pathetic and in itself displays the very problem. You protest too much. I am even more convinced, thanks to your response, that the world's probllems are caused by people like you who are terrified of acknowledging your equality to women and doing somehing about it. Maybe someday you will have the courage to recognize the equality between men and women and work to correct the disparity of power throughout society that is the cause of humanity's ills and unhappiness. Best wishes for increasing honesty and awareness. MALES=FEMALES. Try it. It will emancipate you in many ways.
Solidus Sharp
Heather White 10+
john robinson
I'm not a warmonger by any means; but I do not suffer dictators lightly. I think the Axis of Evil was well-named, and there are countries who's citizens would probably be better off if they were invaded, despite the tolls in human life. Is ending the misery in North Korea worth it? And you have to admit, Iraq is not threatening any of its neighbors anymore and, despite its problems, was left pretty much untouched by the arab spring - meaning, its people are generally hopeful.
I guess a good way to look at it is that you shouldn't go toppling other people's governments; but if you do... you're obligated to nurture them until they can stand again. And if you don't, they will continue to break down into smaller and smaller groups until the fighting stops. It's chaos theory and entropy at work.
Heather White 10+
john robinson
Rhona Pavis 50+
What is the fear, Iankovsky? The utter failure of male domination is obvious. Isn't it? Truth is powerful. Let's see more of that. Earth does not need even one more war to demonstrate the failure of male domination. MALES EQUAL FEMALES. Shout that throughout the world. Let's change the world today. Thank you.
john robinson
The only thing worse than male power is female power bitc#ing about male power. This myth that females are somehow less violent or less powerful is just that - a myth. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned,
Try rewriting your post, but swap all the genders... I'm betting it will then appear as misandric as it really is.
Heather White 10+
Women didn't get the vote in the UK until men were ready to relinquish their 100% stranglehold on political power. The support of men was vital since parliament had to vote in the change of law. Some of the most effective advocates of female emancipation have been, and still are, men. Men who have enjoyed loving and nurturing relationships with their mothers, sisters and daughters are going to wish to see them flourish. Many well adjusted and intelligent men, as well as women, are frustrated with the way women are treated in many parts of the world - its not bitching and moaning - nor is it man-hating - its speaking truth to power. And remember “Manners Maketh Man”
john robinson
Rhona Pavis 50+
john robinson
(Plus... I've never heard a man walk into a problem and declare that the issue was "too many women".)
The biggest part of my point you're missing is the obvious misandry in your opening paragraph. Swap some genders and read this:
"The most efficient way forward for Labia is for the female population to acknowledge their equality to men and to make sure that men participate on an equal basis throughout Labia. The design, planning, administration, religious and secular insitutions must reflect a 50% input from men and 50% input from women for that nation to function in a way that will bring health, prosperity and happiness for all Labian people. It's really that simple. Labians need to let go of their ancestral brainwashing and re-program themselves. I wonder why women do not realize the importance of admitting they are equal to men and encouraging men of all ages to participate actively in society. What is the fear, Iankovsky? The utter failure of female domination is obvious. Isn't it?"
Now when you do that... it starts to sound a little different to your ears, doesn't it? That's because, now it's misogynist. Before that, it was misandric.
You wish for "equality"; but don't realize the inequality in your own house.
Obey No1kinobe 50+
Alll for human rights. Don't necessarily think equal rights and forcing 50% of institutions to have women leaders is going to fix centuries of backwardness, and the ingrown hatreds from decades of one sided dictatorship. And Doubt this a practical suggestion for any time in the next decade or 2.
Rhona Pavis 50+
Obey No1kinobe 50+
Rhona Pavis 50+
Obey No1kinobe 50+
It would be nice if we were less tribal, if different ethnicities learnt to live together peacefully. Some societies do this better than others.
Sometimes borders based on ethnicity may make sense. It would be nice if we could all live together peacefully but it isn't always the case. Also, perhaps the desire for self determination should also be considered.
Additionally, some elements of government need to be local. A global world government is not going to decide what parking fines to charge. Similarly a local council is not the best scale for deciding trade policy etc.
Taking these issues into account, perhaps the borders we have today do not always reflect the ideal optimised solution. Any solution is a compromise.
Suggest the Kurdish region of Iraq is a positive example of self determination. It may be reasonable in the Libyan situation to follow this example. I’m not an expert on the country.
In other places, the separation was a disaster e.g. Palestine/Israel. If Palestine had been an independent nation in 1900 when Jews made up only 10% of the population things would have worked out differently.
I'm not suggesting every place with ethnic or religious issues separates, but sometimes it may make sense.
Agree there are issues with the dominating group giving up land, power etc. In many cases the nations we have reflect one group defeating another through war, colonisation etc.
Most lands have a history of different groups being in charge. But it is reasonable to look at what makes sense now.
Agree with the man/women sentiments and freedom of expression. I'd throw in freedom of religion and from religion and an end to discrimination based on race, sexual orientation etc. I live in a society that is 70% there and hope it does not go backwards.
Rhona Pavis 50+