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What do you think the U.S should do about the current situation in Iran?
There are multiple things that come into play with the situation in Iran. there are the death threats, Iran saying that they're going to "wipe Israel off the face of the Earth", the fact they now have nuclear weapons and are lying about their purpose, and anything else you can think of. I was just wondering what your guy's opinions were. Do you think that we could end up i n a nuclear war?
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Krisztián Pintér 200+
really, what would change if iran also had?
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Krisztián Pintér 200+
ps: you write in your profile that you are christian. what kind of christian? which branch of christianity teaches that "before you are slapped on one side of your face, shoot the guy dead"?
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Krisztián Pintér 200+
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Krisztián Pintér 200+
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edward long 100+
Krisztián Pintér 200+
you know, i kind of accept that you, americans, have that feeling of supremacy. but you should not think that every other country is a total idiot jackass.
you are allowed to have a gun at home. i believe that you are much less trustworthy than iran. you can go berserk if you take some trace amounts of chemicals. iran, on the other hand, is not at this risk
Luis Marin
You are starting to sound biased against the US. How do you make the leap from gun ownership to trusting Iran is very confusing to me. Iran is building the mother of all weapons and it is clear it intends to use it for geopolitical leverage. If they want to play that game, then it is their choice.
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Arnab Dutta
“Iran is not allowed to have nuclear weapons because she has openly declared herself to be a threat to Israel's safety.” ----What about Israel itself ? It is a nuclear powered country and kills hundreds if Iranian every year.
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Krisztián Pintér 200+
Luis Marin
You speak of US aggression but fail to acknowledge the fact of Iran's support for Hezbollah and Hamas, organizations that attack Israel on a regular basis. Another fact is that Israel is surrounded by countries that have attacked them multiple times in all out conventional wars. So they have a reason to be a bit, shall we say, jumpy. And yes, Israel, unfortunately, does its part to continue the cycle, but do you really think a nuclear Iran would not change this equation for the worse? What's your solution? A banner that says "world peace"? Iran's hands are already bloody on this. This is the point that everyone seems to forget.
To top it all off Iran's leaders both secular and religious are in open conflict with the very existence of Israel and have declared so in public, and yes, translations vary on what has been said, but hey, the spirit of it is not too auspicious. Moreover, Iran is Theocracy ruled by ulemas and Ayatollahs that is now going through a power struggle with the secular government, that would be good if both weren't radicals. Someone may take a prophesy as a literal command from Allah and this does not concern you?
Wake up Mr. Pinter, things are more complicated than you think.
Krisztián Pintér 200+
can you imagine that in iran, people are living. ordinary people going to work every day. you are not bombing countries. you are bombing people. you are not limiting trade with countries. you are limiting trade with businessmen.
and spare the hypocrisy about iran threatening israel. you don't lift a finger when pakistan supports terrorists who blow up dozens of people in india every year.
btw can you name a war that iran has started?
Luis Marin
Since it is clear you will not bomb fat Texans lets pretend someone in New Mexico says they want to bomb them. Would you allow them to purchase bomb making materials? Furthermore, if someone can prove to you he's killed fat people already would you simply sit idle and let them build bombs? What would you you do then? I'll guess your answer, look away, after all you are a pacifist. Congratulations, you live in a perpetual 1939 European dreamland.
Do you think I dehumanize Iranians? How about dehumanizing Jews? Iranians certainly do not live in that state Israelis do, and who do they thank for that? Many, including the Iranian state. State policies Mr. Pinzer have consequences on its citizens. It's about time people wake up to this. This, by the way, cuts both ways.
And don't call me a hypocrite. I do not support terrorism in any form. What I do support is eradicating it by violent means if necessary. You cannot have peace without falling into the contradiction of war.
Your Pakistan-India example is perhaps the best reason why you need to wake up from that daydream of yours. You already know the reason why Pakistan is so difficult to deal with and gets away with its attacks to India. Pakistan holds nuclear weapons, plain and simple. This is exactly what Iran wants. Impunity under the shade of a missile topped with an nuclear warhead and a deterrence policy that will allow them to do whatever they want. And you support this?
Krisztián Pintér 200+
yes, you are a warmonger, but i didn't want to say it out loud. not by any stretch of the imagination, iran will attack anyone in a foreseeable future. do anyone honestly believe that they will turn the israeli military machine on themselves, thus eradicating their own rule? let alone the US military machine waiting just one corner away. and i'm not even starting to talk about how negligible threat iran means to the US.
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Luis Marin
Your staunch support for peace seems to also be deaf and blind. Besides missing the very real and dangerous implications of such a development. You failed to address your own question about Pakistan and you fail to address the question of Iran supporting Hezbollah and Hamas. But you are quick to point out that Israel and the US are aggressors. I have a feeling you are not so much in Iran's camp as you are against any US action, regardless of how morally correct it may be.
Krisztian, my misspelling of your your name fairly innocuous compared to what you have put on your comments. Don't take it personal, it is not. If I wanted to misspell your name on purpose I would have called you Mr. Neville Chamberlain.
Krisztián Pintér 200+
in the name of peace? not at all. in the name of not initiating aggression to counter faint and unrealistic threats.
what is about pakistan that makes my argument invalid? do you think that a military intervention against pakistan would have been a good thing? on what grounds? they didn't attack anyone with nukes, they didn't sell any nukes, and the total number of terrorist attacks pakistan might have supported are not demonstrably higher than it would have been without the nuke. we can assume the same thing in iran. they would not attack anyone, the terrorist attacks against israel would continue, and overall, nothing will change.
on the other hand, restoring free trade with iran would have many positive consequences. just as dramatic changes in israel's gaza policy.
Luis Marin
You claim that the Iranian threat is faint and unrealistic but you offer absolutely no argument, except to say that the powers that be wouldn't want to risk it. Because, well, after all, crazy dictators are not really that crazy and they all want to stay. Saddam, Gaddafi, Mussolini, Amin, Hitler and countless others killed millions under that argument. Iran is pursuing a weapon, why would they need one? why would they want one? why would a country sponsor attacks on another unless there is a specific motive behind it?
The point about Pakistan was brought up by you. The single most wanted man in the world was hiding in plain sight in Pakistan , and they, as you pointed out support terrorists activities in India. Why do you think this direct threat to India's security cannot really be solved was my question. You know the answer, Pakistan is nuclear so they act with impunity, so much impunity that they supported North Korea's development of a nuclear weapon. So I imply you want the same for Iran all in the name of love.
But no. Apparently you don't want the same for Iran. You just want them to exercise the right to have a nuclear weapon and yield it as a bargaining chip in an explosive casino. Interesting, by the way, do you think individuals have a right to bear arms?
Krisztian you believe there is no excuse for aggression, period, and that clouds your judgement. I sincerely hope you are right.
Arnab Dutta
“Iran has no particular reason to own a nuclear weapons except to make a geopolitical muscle flexing.” .. What about defending their own country? Why US , Russia & others have nuke ? What’s Their purpose?
And you say middle east is unstable . In that point of view US is the most violent country and they have proved it. How US then still having NUKE ?
And you know North Korea is one of the rarest crazy country in the world but they are not dangerous ? Because they don’t have oil ?
How many country US have invaded after world war and what they have really got? Vietnam , Afghanistan ,Iraq? So how many times US was morally correct ? What they have really offered to the world ?
What US have really got their and what kind of peace it has offered to the world?
If you really don’t want any nuke for Iran then all other country should destroy theirs also with mutual agreement. That would be really great.
And by any chance Iran is not going to use nuke until they are really desperate. Because after they use nuke the after effect will be horrible for them as other big country will invade for them. I don’t think Iran is such suicidal .
Luis Marin India – Pakistan has its own problem. But believe me none of are going to use nuke nether nuclear powered Pakistan is the problem . And despite of all hatred and grudge India Pakistan always try to solve it peacefully. Though that is not always what happens. But believe the though any war is pain-full. All three wars between India and Pakistan has very minimum civilian casualty. And you know why Pakistan got the guts to attack. Because they were financed by a western country. No country is a terrorist . Few people may want some JIHAD or something. But believe me most of the civilian are almost same all over the world.
Luis Marin
You bring up a good point. I am for nuclear disarmament as I do not believe any country should have nuclear weapons. I am also a realist and believe this is likely an impossibility. So I am for non-proliferation.
The US invasion of Iraq was incorrect and immoral, Afghanistan was justified. A country that harbors terrorists should be held responsible for their actions. But if you want to talk immoral why don't you talk Russia-Georgia? China-Tibet? Iraq-Kuwait? Egypt-Syria-Jordan-Israel? Somalia? Darfur? and the US is the only 'Satan'? Please. Don't worry we'll live to see a Chinese led world, I am sure it will be all flowers... I do not blindly defend all of US policies and actions, in fact, I do not really support this concept of policing the world either, but I see a grave problem with Iran.
We live in a very connected world that runs (depends) on oil that sits in the Middle East. If the international community allows one country to hold this region hostage then war is an almost certainty, if this country is nuclear, then nuclear war is likely. This your 'desperate' scenario. With the stupidity of its leadership any country can find itself painted on a corner.
Finally, India and Pakistan have been involved in FOUR wars. Some peace right there.
Douglas Bell
People are more concerned about Iran because they don't expect the Israelis, Pakistanis, Chinese or Koreans to use them. Whether it's an explict attack, by proxy via Hamas or a Saudi Shiite group, or "just" a threat that allows Iran to control the world's oil supply. The Iranians, for right or wrong, are seen as wanting to use nuclear weapons to dominate the region.
I can see where the Israelis and Sunnis are concerned. I'd love to say that the bombast about destroying Israel is just boasting but the Iranian military support of the Shiites in Iraq and Hezbollah in Gaza plants the concern that it's not all just words. It's enough to legitimize people asking, "What are their intentions?" The question that I have is, would a reasonable person in Tel Aviv or Riyad be concerned?
Not every action in the Middle-East is initiated by the US.
Best wishes,
Doug
Krisztián Pintér 200+
and about giving terrorists nukes: do you honestly think that terrorists are having harder time getting nukes from korea or pakistan?
Douglas Bell
I agree with you about Korea. The difference is that Korea's blackmail is just blackmail. It doesn't lead to Korea's control of the world's energy supply.
You are certainly right in that a direct attack is unimaginable in the central US where I live. It's not in Riyadh or Tel Aviv.
I don't support a US assult on Iran and I don't see much support for it where I live. What I have seen speculated is a 20-30 day air attack just to destroy their nuclear facilities. And the professional military don't make any promises about how effective it would be or how long the effect would last. It's not like all of their plants are listed on google maps.
You don't have to explode a nuclear weapon for it to be effective. They would give Iran extraordinary leverage if they chose to enforce, for instance, a blockade of oil leaving the middle east.
I agree that terrorists wouldn't care if the bomb came from Iran, Pakistan, or a supply dump in the former Soviet Union. It would still be a bad thing.
The most likely result I see is a 1960's style arms race in the middle east. Having grown up a few kilometers from the Russian first strike targets, I can tell you that it's not a good thing.
Best wishes,
Doug
Krisztián Pintér 200+
and bear in mind. i didn't say it is a good thing that iran wants to have nukes. i said they have the right to have. just as the most aggressive and powerful nation, the US has. it is unfortunate. but it is not a reason to initiate aggression.
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