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Terry Torok

Founder at Angel Producers, Founder at Live from Earth

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The City 2.0 according to YOU... 2 Things a City that YOU design, Must Have...

1. 2. The City that Becomes You... [ Brevity and Bravado Appreciated ]

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    Mar 13 2012: The city I'd like to live in..... will emerge as a product of designed inclusive processes that engage the population in the decisions that effect them. It will reflect their amazing creative talents, their capacity to listen and understand the others point of view, their capacity to empathise. It will be a dynamic city, for ever changing in response to new challenges and new ideas. It's structures will be the vehicles for learning, about each other, about ourselves. It will be a place for excitement and dignity, creativity and reflection, experience and learning. All in all, it will be fantastic because it will reflect our collective possibilities. The most important thing it must have is the opportunity for those that live there to be actively engaged in its creation.
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      Mar 24 2012: beautifully articulated... agreed...
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        Mar 24 2012: Many thanks, it's a pleasure. I am though left wondering how best to achieve it, even though it is the focus of my everyday work. I can think of some of the barriers, such as: that we are locked into an image of the 'developed' city that is out of date; we don't seem too keen on actually practising new concepts such as deliberative democracy; the ones that get the most out of our current cities (the well paid designers and technicians/public servants/bankers) have a vested interest in maintaining the existing. So I'm left wondering, what can be done on an every day level to overcome such barriers? Suggestions would be welcome!
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          Mar 25 2012: Our work is somewhat of an attempt to overcome such barriers in city development. Our task as a regional institute is to set up roundtables in about 10 cities in the ruhr region of 5,5 mio. inhabitants. the topic: finding a strategy for development in problem neighourhoods which is jointly accepted by stakeholders in the quarter as well as by top-down city officials.

          this is funded by the state - because we learned that large infrastructure investments in housing or iconic buildings of 50 Mio. euro and more - will NOT work when local inhabitants to do care and join. so now we are building the soft infrastructure - local acceptance - before the hardware infrastructure.

          the motivation for the city: if they agree to a joint strategies and projects - involving the inhabitants with which they often had no dialogue for years - they get co-funding for projects.....

          in order to strengthen the bottom-up approach in cities we report on this - however not only in the ruhr, but throughout europe, with a special focus on culture & arts driving bottom up processes.

          Matin - maybe you can find other examples here you might use.
          http://www.labkultur.tv/en/citychange
  • Mar 5 2012: 1. No private vehicle usage in the CBD/primary activity zone - replaced with a comprehensive public transportation network that phases in self driving, network connected public taxis.

    2. Multi-functional community use buildings that mix retail, commercial, and education, binds them together with the appropriate eateries - and institutes regular break periods to allow for social comingling throughout the building. We are simply far too demographically segregated nowadays... our work places, our schools... they're not structured in a way conducive towards interrelating towards each other, sharing and receiving the wisdom of experience and the imagination of youth.
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      Mar 21 2012: George, I was going to add the multi-use community use buildings idea, but you beat me to it. If we shift our education paradigm away from outdated rote learning, and more toward real-life experience, students and society would benefit.
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    Mar 5 2012: 1. A coffee house on every corner, which offers no wifi, no cell phone, etc.but is for community gatherings, getting to know the human beings we share our community with and is a place where everyone can be included and connected into the group - ( I will expect royalty if starbucks implements my idea;-)
    2. A dance hall on every block, where people of all ages go ballroom dancing.
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      Mar 5 2012: Coffee house for conversation... huh, novel ! albeit, wouldn't have had the opportunity to meet you this way! would you settle for 3 out of 4 corners ? I am all for the dance... yes ballroom and all choices from ballet to hip hop and non stop tango... it's all good in the Juliette hood - thank you... Dance on 2.0h ;-)
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        Mar 9 2012: ....... Definitely 4 out of 4......... because I would want all 100% of the people INcluded.........only a correction to my former word 'corner'..........there won't be any!!:-) since city2.0 has only round crescent curves.
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          Mar 9 2012: aha... an interesting curve bending the trend of online and inline with corner-free caffeine & conversation.
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    Mar 2 2012: City 2.0 for me is a return to Village 1.0, so the two things that would be most important would be related to recreating that environment:

    First, a community bonded by shared interest and common ideals as laid out in a constantly developing and flexible constitution and common law.
    Secondly, an wealth of shared knowledge and freely given skill.

    You'll notice neither of these things is physical. Before the city can reach its full potential its people need to be united upon a purpose. That purpose can never be imposed by a designer or even guided by a physical form, it can only be democratically forged through developed relationships.
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      Mar 4 2012: Village 1.0 People... a dynamic system of governance, with communities potentially positively segregated by common interests but not gated with seclusion, perhaps open pathways to observe and invite inclusion?

      in the non-physical realm Daniel is it possible, for the City 2.0 to begin gathering citizens now.... as in right now, then allow those citizens to create a system, voting etc, that determines it's future... without yet, or ever, worrying if the City 2.0 manifests in a physical location ? Thanks for your thoughts Daniel ! personally enjoy and advocate the open source of knowledge and shared wisdom... A great invitation for others to please join in!
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        Mar 5 2012: I think it may be possible for a City2.0/Village1.0 community to begin developing non-physically in the communities we already live in. However, this needs to be a bottom up movement from neighborhoods. rather than a top down from government. Perhaps we could start with some sort of social media/hybrid offline-online garage sale thing. Or flashmob street parties.
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    Mar 2 2012: A hackspace. A communal workshop where people can work together, invent things, or just build customized stuff for their life. People can build sustainability themselves. Workshops can teach how to install simple solar systems. People can build their own green houses or aquaponic systems. People convert their own scooters or even cars to electric. DIY culture.

    A shared vehicle system. Particularly with trucks or vans. I can get by with a bike or public transit. Often the challenge isn't getting myself around, its getting that stuff around. I don't need a truck very often, but when I do it can be a real hurdle to DIY projects.
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      Mar 4 2012: Scott, this idea of creating passion positions... or open workshop areas for people to gather, dialogue and create is cool, an IDEATION STATION... this is also a reoccurring theme that is beginning to emerge here. Seems like a community thought garden... and potentially a new community "DIO" culture ? The more we share the more we have.... yikes this is powerful... I can imagine a design for this, and curious how others might view this... in a sense, in may reveal the success of a Starbucks... more from a gathering perspective... I can imagine Open Source Centers, an actualized mirror of the internet, for Humans to Gather... As Humans, Being, Human, Kind, and occasional, turn it on... with a Human Race or two, or 2.0h... Shared transit, could be rapid... AND what about Slow transport ?... eg... Coffee & TEA shop carriage.... A public transport car, you can sit on the floor and enjoy group meditation for 20 minutes, sort of a Trans-Meditation system... [a hire plane]... Thank you scott lee !! yeah, let's keep the momentum !!
  • Mar 2 2012: Great topic. For one, city 2.0 needs more open spaces where people can freely interact, for example public podiums, play areas and entertainment centers.

    Second, I would setup workshops and meeting areas allowing inventors to collaborate together on projects esp. the younger generation of DIYs.
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      Mar 4 2012: Thank you so much Zdenek, very much aligned with open, contemplative spaces, that can entertain thought, and and opportunity to listen.... the Workshops are very cool places for action.... could promote a new... DIO's [?]
      • Mar 6 2012: I had to look up what DIO means =)

        I agree. We should also have places for kids (and their mentors) to work on school projects and projects for various competitions and challenges raised by their community.

        cheers
  • Mar 21 2012: All buildings that extend to certain heights (say, every 15 meters) have to provide space and hookups for a pedestrian transport network. Any time two such buildings are across the street from each other, the city connects them.
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      Mar 21 2012: great though Groedjn - skywalks are also valuable as seen in Calgary, Minneapolis and St. Paul... keeps Pedestrians happy and moving freely...
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    Mar 7 2012: Like a cell in our bodies the first thing that City 2.0 must have is a skin to separate the inside from the outside and to manage the interchange between them. It can take some stuff in and spit other stuff out, but it must have a commitment to recycling everything it can and wasting nothing. It should embody the principles of the "techno-sphere" inasmuch as it exists by the continuous recirculation of the valuable products of its technology. E.g. its wastewater is as clean as its intake. It may not do every bit of recycling itself, but it must ensure that whatever wasted techno-sphere generated materials it cannot use do get recycled. In other words City 2.0 is a responsible cell within a responsible organism. The skin is its commitment and organization that makes it sustainable, the thing that defines it as intelligent.
    The second thing it must have is a sense of identity, the ethos that separates the inside from the outside. Identity is what sets it apart from its "environment". To identify with City 2.0 its citizens must all identify with the ethos that makes it want to exist and persist. This ethos is its value system, the ideas that define it, the goals that move it forwards as a single entity. In any city there will be people with differing skills and abilities, varying needs and interests, and all at different stages of life. Yet each must in their own way want to contribute to and share in the common experience of the whole. It must be a community of shared and interdependent interests, not a web of random exploitative relationships. There can be commerce and profit, but within a framework of communal commitment to the well being of the whole. Individuals cannot claim to identify with the whole and then parasitize its juicy parts! Within such a framework co-operation is essential and must be conscious not blind or left to chance. Business and even military culture is no stranger to harnessing individuals to a common cause. City 2.0 is possible.
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    Mar 6 2012: Another consideration perhaps for City X.0, a cheaper way for society to begin tackling the social and local economical issues posed by moving masses of people into space or to other worlds would be to build societies on the ocean. Much of what we learn in building such cities would easily transfer to the further demands of space and planetary colonization.
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      Mar 6 2012: interesting parallel a friend and fellow TEDster is working to get the Plastic Garbage Swirl in the north Pacific Ocean, recognized as a country... I drop off there, not clearly understanding how this might promote cleanup... other than to speculate it becomes eligible as a country for certain funds? in any case, a slight digression, but fair to keep front and center is the infra-structure and less-than-sexy- issues that must be addressed for a City 2.0 that hopes to raise the bar... even with the Tide...
  • Mar 5 2012: Now (4) I used the Hubs. When I said Residential hub, I mean dedicated residential area without any malls or stores or factories or offices etc., It’s purely 200% residential area. Similarly – shopping complex need to have only shopping malls, stores, eating places etc., and then educational hub, then Health care hub, Commercial / corporate hub and then if needed – industrial hub. By which the flow of traffic will be one way at particular time, another way in another time and busy all the time, closed and nil when the offices were closed. According to placing of these hubs in the proposed city – the roads can be either too-wide or just wide or small lanes. In the present day cities all these are scattered in and around the city – by which no body can plan, develop or invent or solve the traffic issues in any way.
  • Mar 5 2012: Hi Terry - Thanks for giving me some food - to think on this: (1)Any township or newly developed city ( with my limited knowledge) is developed on a vast piece of land. This particular planned area – (however may be large or small) do have the limitations as per the government’s orders – like length and width etc. My point is at any given time and in the future – there should be total ban on expansion of any kind – whatever. By which – the citizens of this city are and would be the forefathers in future and the culture they discovered or innovated at the beginning would be carried over for few decades / centuries in the future without any adulteration or overlapping. So, you may ask me about whether I am against any development in future? Nay! If there are any innovations or plans for development – in future – do it in a different area calling it is city -3 or city X. But keep what has been done here as it is where the residents are residents who brought the plots. ( I am not sure whether I am able to articulate my idea correctly)
    (3) I would like to have the residential houses with 2 or 3 floors – underground and maximum one floor towards sky. ( keep the terrorism and nuclear war-fare in mind). It is NOT to advertise about resident’s wealth in any way. When there is any huge pollution or chemical war fare – when there is any kind of other calamities – then the underground will be safer place. And I also suggest underground foot-paths – to move around in a one locality – Not the entire city. And at some locations – ( if any huge river or sea is near by to the location) in the city itself – divert the sea / river water through this city – in curves and rounds – limited to one area of the city – where underground is not done - and link it again to river or sea so the flow will be maintained. Use large boulders for the canal instead of concrete. So you will have underground walk-way, water way for transport and elevated transport.
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        Mar 6 2012: While I agree about not needing to include overt Terrorism in the plans for City 2.0, there are other reasons to build down. Leaving more room for natural growth, tall buildings reduce windflow reducing the areas we could use for wind power, but there are also reasons to build up in some areas, increasing area for solar collection, channeling wind flow, area for large public display/collaboration.

        We also need to look at the various heating and cooling situations around the world. In some areas one design style would be physically preferable than the other.

        In summary, we need to look at more factors than just the monetary expense of construction. Not saying that's what you are meaning to advocate, but its but that's what I heard in your message.
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    Mar 2 2012: 1. Silence, in some places
    (hence: electric vehicles instead of combustion engine vehicles, bicycles... etc)

    2. A garden on every building rooftop,or other places where city-zens grow their own food (tastier, better food that doesn't travel hundreds of miles)

    2.1: farms, for the same reasons of point 2.
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      Mar 4 2012: hmmmm to ohmmm... " Curated Quiet". ... this is a wonderful idea Bruno, i like where this can go ! CityZens... more brilliance.... Urban Farming ? Can we do this ? Food for more Thought... Anyone?
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        Mar 5 2012: Yeah, silence in a city is an extraordinary experience. We have that once a year in Brussels, no cars except for ambulance, police, fire department, etc. It's striking to realize that traffic generates so much noise "pollution". Silence becomes then a sweet one-day symphony, with just children laughing or yelling and the sound of rusty bicycles squeaking.

        And more green is possible, like for eg vertical gardens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_wall), with vegs and fruits or not, this anywhere not matter what the budget is.
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          Mar 5 2012: I very much appreciate streets and souks dedicated to walking or non-motorized wheels - especially in large cities, my recall is that the central area of Brussels, has walking streets, London has a few, we may be slowly working in that direction for Broadway in NYC... .. none-the-less quiet progress, a valuable asset for 2.0...
  • Mar 24 2012: Can we create TED Neighborhoods? Around TED Conversations, Conferences, Tags? Places where we could gather around to continue and enrich conversations, ideas and interests. That could the reward of this year City 2.0 TED Prize: the foundation of new digital public spaces.
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      Mar 25 2012: Sounds like a perfect idea !

      If you re-locate or join a new company - find the TEDies by tags and feel at home with persons of the same spirit and mission!
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    Mar 17 2012: What IF...
    ... we look to the city we live in or near, AND our favorite cities in the world... and list some best practices... as a bar to raise the City 2.0.



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    Mar 13 2012: Cities need to offer more fun and romance in order to revitalize and attract people and commerce.

    Cities all act the same they all look the same. Why not push federal incentives for local government to experiment with urban renewal projects? My wild thought - provide parking for standard vehicles at the edge of the urban growth boundaries that are served by public transport and cheap rentable electric super carts (top speed 10 mph) to access, navigate and enjoy specific areas that are private vehicle restricted sections of the inner city.

    The new atmosphere might well transform these physically cordoned off areas into local urban hotspots that would magnetically attract visitors, consumers, and entrepreneurs by catering to our gregarious nature. The physical outdoor activities of walking, running, biking, etc., would be a more welcomed lifestyle. This restricted area from standard traffic would have a reduced carbon footprint and perhaps would also improve the quality of the inner city experience for many of us.

    Incidentally, one of my favorite TV shows was "mission impossible."
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    WHAT IF... we create a top 20 criteria and correlating measures of a successful city, and mine best practices of Cities throughout the world against each of these criteria ? -see if we can combine best practices, positive deviants and explore the synergy to create the City 2.0 ?

    eg.1) Best sustainable public transport. 2) Best integration of creative and quiet places 3) Best sewage systems 4) Highest level of Citizen satisfaction 5) Best system of rule. 6)... 7)...
    • Mar 24 2012: Like your idea. How can I help you make this happen? Great conversation. Thank you for starting it.
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    Mar 12 2012: One point would be to emphasize that the use of the city by the citizens must be as direct as possible, by which I mean that vehicles, machinery, etc. (that produce additional waste products; consume additional resources; contribute to thermal, noise; light; air; and other forms of pollution) should be minimized within the boundaries of what is considered the city proper. This moves toward an environment in which "people" are given precedence over "things," in which considerations from architecture to transportation all begin with making the healthiest and socially equitable choices possible. I'm not saying anything new in this - I believe that the late inventor of the Segue, among others, is due much of the credit.
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    Mar 11 2012: i've already "used" my 2 things but I'll add 1 more: Intelligent (re)use of rain water.

    Today, rain water goes directly into the sewage system, whereas it could be used for toilets, washing machines, dishwasher.

    When you think of it: rain water is clean water. But this clean water goes directly to filthy water (sewage). It's a huge non sense.

    Every drop of water coming from the sky is a richness that should be used in big cities. Think of cost reduction, smaller water bills for the consumers and less complicate city infrastructure to cope with big rain falls (pipes, drainage, filtering, etc.)
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      Mar 21 2012: First step towards large-scale reuse of rainwater is to have a series of natural catchment systems or reservoirs preserved or strategically built around the city. These reservoirs could also serve the community's recreational and creative centers.
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    Mar 7 2012: Doug Saunders on "Arrival Cities". He names three conditions for a successful cities giving immigrants new homes: proximity, urban lay-out and - you will not believe it - bureaucracy. And a City2.0 can not do without migration - read yourself:
    http://www.labkultur.tv/en/blog/deltalecture-arrival-cities-1
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      Mar 7 2012: According to Wiki Bureaucracy is like propaganda, by definition, it's not bad, it just has a bad rap.. WIKI, : A bureaucracy is an organization of non-elected officials of a government or organization who implement the rules, laws, and functions of their institution,[1] and are occasionally characterized by officialism and red tape.[2]

      Thank you Bernd, for the link and conditions...
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    Mar 6 2012: I suggest that one of the most important elements of sustainable cities of the future will not be the technology of building or planning but taxation. All cities are built on land and the most valuable land on the planet is under cities because the proximity of people and everything people do and build has the result of making city land more and more valuable. It is a well known fact of economics that land value is created not by the owners of particular pieces of land but by the community of all people in the city and for many miles around. The value of land is therefore literally created by the community and land value is the one thing that community as a whole creates that can be measured in dollars and cents. Historically ownership of land has included the right to collect the value land comes to have but it is clear and acknowledged by all economists although they rarely speak of it that such income is wholly unearned. It is the private collection of community created land value that gives rise to land speculation, under use/inefficient us of city land for purposes of cashing in on future increases in land value and urban sprawl.

    The proposal here has been on the table for over a century is to shift the property tax and eventually other local taxes such as sales and business taxes that fall on the earned incomes of labor and real capital invested in the real local economy onto community created land values. This would have the result of giving positive economic incentive to build, rebuild and improve land within cities, it would result in the building of more affordable housing, crate more local jobs, encourage massive capital investment within the existing borders of cities and curtail if not completely end urban sprawl.

    I suggest that without this shift of taxation to the community created value of land that cities will always be at the mercy of conflicting values which to date have usually been trumped by the motive to cash in on unearned land value
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      Mar 7 2012: Wendell, do you think it is feasible to create a loose sense of CitiZenship now... and create a fee or CitZen tax as to add to a development / benefits fund? potentially as a two year renewable? Self guided, if it cannot add value, citizens would drop out, but if we drive real value we should be able to grow citizens globally... [?] thoughts?
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      Mar 7 2012: Though I am an economist I can not easily agree with the great priority you gave to taxation. While I agree that taxation needs to change from making landlords bigger and bigger to making new development bigger and bigger, I would argue on the other hand that taxation is not the key success factor.

      I experienced in my work in urban development that immaterial qualities of cities make cities successfull - of course not housing or well-repaired streets. Just imagine cities of high unemployment of 20 or 40 percent - how do they get up again? Historically because people living there wanted to stay and live there, mostly for not economic reasons. People with this kind of spirit you need for City2.0 also - because the City2.0 will not be a straight linear success, it will have curves and frustations, but then you need persons to continue - tax doesn´t matter at this point or does it after all?
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    Mar 6 2012: Interesting conversation!
    In my opinion, let it be beautiful! OK, I know we don't always agree what beauty is, but most people seem to like flowers and trees so that would be a good start.
    Also, let it be social. I like the coffee house idea. There should be lots of public space for enjoying nature, for meeting each other, for resting, for art, for performance, for play.
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      Mar 6 2012: big cracks for nature to shine through.... flowers and tree houses, tea gardens, adventure trails, rock climbing, ideation stations and daycations for day dreamers, a place of performance and play, a city for the love of art and the art of love... i'm in, let's begin...
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    Mar 5 2012: Coffee house for conversation... novel, albeit, wouldn't have had the opportunity to meet you this way! would you settle for 3 out of 4 corners ? I am all for the dance... yes ballroom and all choices from ballet to hip hop and non stop tango... it's all good in the Juliette hood - thank you... Dance on 2.0h ;-)
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      Mar 5 2012: Well meeting you virtually is like finding a brilliant star in the dark sky, yes it is a source of inspiration, and guidance and hope, and a very important point of reference to hold as we walk the lonely planet in the dark. Alas, it is only Actual connection that co-manifests brilliance on Earth:)
  • Mar 2 2012: 1. It should have certain boundaries - limitations - beyond which no development is permitted
    2. Any building is to be demolished or constructed - it should take permission from the city planners
    3. All transport facilities need to be on surface - may be elevated but not underground
    4. There must be a one Residential Hub, another one Commercial Hub and another one for Recreational Hub, next is for Educational Hub ( elementary to masters) a sports hub - no overlapping is permitted.
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      Mar 4 2012: Thank you Subramanyam... 1. Limitation is one of the greatest inspirations of Creativity... I would love an example that you might possibly be thinking about... and how a limitation or a boundary, might serve the whole.... in this thread I suppose are some examples, as "curated quiet" could be a limitation placed on noise... is this the direction you are thinking? i invite you to explode this thought without overt destruction of course !
      Your point 2. This seems theoretically wise, albeit dependent on the access or goals of the city planners... at the moment, i believe [ready to be wrong] the city planners of City 2.0 are the "usses"... the would be cityZens... 3. intrigued by desire of transport to not go subterranean on us... would love to hear more... what about an Elevated City, whereby the transport is above ground, yet below the city? fair ground ? I am also intrigued by Cities that have above street level walkways, they are rare but very interesting... eg St. Paul, Minneapolis and Calgary... 4. How do you see Hubs physically manifesting ? eg when you state One Residential Hub, is this say, one physical area, or in your mind is Residential integrated throughout other hubs? interested to know more, and grateful for your thoughts and thought-starters !
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    Mar 2 2012: Trees,lots of trees down every street.

    An overhead maglev rail system that runs down every street, each carriage is autonomous.
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      Mar 4 2012: so very and pleasantly curious about the autonomous carriages ! are you thinking in terms of a traveling art gallery ? or mobile thought? listening carriages, carriages that are also solar greenhouses, or DNA experimental stations, ? hmmmmm wow you have sparked something wonderful... would love to hear more !
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        Mar 10 2012: Sorry terry i should of used "automated" slaved to a grid system,the idea is the carriages before they reach a pickup point receive data in the form of cellular phone signals,they link,the data is processed,depending on where the individual wants to go and how many in it's carriage is going to the same or near the same destination.it will flash you a red for wait for the next carriage or flash you a green and offer a stop and alternate quickest route.In a way a crowd of people could influence where they want to go before the next carriage arrive just by talking amongst themselves on the platform.

        Morning coffee and a quick vote before the workday starts.I'm sure someone has thought of this somewhere.

        Self powered maglev?I.... don't know maybe that's for the metamaterial industry to help solve the problems that would arise from transporting differing weights over the course of a day.

        http://scitechdaily.com/new-metamaterial-design-extremely-efficient-at-capturing-light/
  • Mar 2 2012: Sustainablility
    Variety
    Community

    Oops, that's 3. Three things that a city must have.

    Oh, and Accessability.

    That's 4, four things a city must have.
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      Mar 4 2012: Thank you Robert, 4 things very welcome, it's your clarity, brevity and a touch of levity that is appreciated too !
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    ... The city you never saw coming. Thank you for your thoughts, I hope we have the opportunity to break bread, break a leg, raise a glass and raise a city... in person sometime soon.

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    Mar 25 2012: Hi Bernd, Thanks for the link. Great to see a European perspective and that the State is pushing the agenda. Just out of curiosity, how many people on your round tables? and are there processes to engage more than those on the roundtable?
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    Thumbs up to all of you for participating in this great conversation.... How can we best continue to communicate or gather to help develop this new City 2.0 ? I would be happy to be neighbors with each and every one of you! thank you for your thoughts, brilliance, optimism and kindness...


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    Mar 14 2012: as Albert Einstein said "If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it." ...Wlld thoughts are great... Dan, thank you for yours... ah just thinking that your thought "Cities all act the same they all look the same". is certainly up to the observer. I find every city i visit in the world unique, by people and ideas, [or lack thereof] in any case would love to hear from the TED community on favorite cities of the world, that might, in some respect influence the City 2.0 !
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    The City 2.0 is hard to define by design, until we do... it's up to you... Please add your two sens..ible things that would help define City 2.0


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