- Andrew Tam
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What makes an idea spread? Duration? Quality? Loudness?
In my Bioelectricity class this week, we talked about the propagation of electrical signals in the body. In the body, cells transmit action potentials (or "spikes") which propogate along the cell membranes of electrically excitable cells like neurons and muscles. However, these action potentials are only produced if the stimulus is of long enough duration, or of high enough amplitude. If signals are too weak, they instead dissipate as they decay in time and space. I was wondering: is the same true of the real world? If news spreads rapidly, is this reason to believe that the news is of of good quality? Is the spread of news proportional to the quality of it?













Joanna Cruz
I waited until the last minute to post for two reasons: 1. It slipped my mind that I also have to respond to yours even though we discussed it thoroughly offline and 2. It would be best to observe how our similar questions would spread.
Just from this week’s observation, I feel that an idea spreads through group effort and empathy. I stated in my conversation that “idea production requires a group effort in which we all stimulate production and discussion like with neurons firing. The only way you can measure a signal or response is if multiple neurons within the same area are firing not just one because of all the noise that can distort a single low amplitude signal.” This applies for how ideas spread not only in the production. It takes many people to empathize and start discussions to propagate ideas. I have always focused on how I relate to an idea and made it very personal but the group dynamic is so important.
Albert Fuglsang-Madsen
I think if you see the Earth as a "body" with it's signals as news, there's one thing that isn't in the body, that exists on Earth, and that's the ability for human to fight for it. If you really wanna spread an idea in reality, it's all about your will to spread it.
How badly you want it out, how good you are at making it a big deal, and talking about it to as many people as possible. Schools, lectures, medias, etc. That's something I don't yet know if the body can do : Take a weak signal (Here representing an idea that isn't paid attention to) amplify it (make it commercialised) and then reality has a factor I'm not sure if the body has: The will and act of spreading it, eventhough it isn't a "strong signal"
Harnsowl Ko 50+
Samantha Massengill 50+
Here Kevin Allocca explains why youtube videos go viral: 1) tastemakers, 2) communities of participation, and 3) unexpectedness.
As an example of a tastemaker, he describes Jimmy Kimmel's tweet of the Double Rainbow video and how this tweet is the reason for a sudden spike in views. Similarly, Rebecca Black's Friday "sprouted up out of nowhere" months after the upload. His reason for this is also explained by groups of tastemakers sharing the video on social media sites. He also gives examples of community participation and unexpectedness as vehicles for making youtube videos go viral.
"these are characteristics of a new kind of media and a new kind of culture, where anyone has access and the audience defines the popularity"
Matthew Wieder 50+
Mark-maria Agatemor
Yawa Hansen-Quao 20+
Steven Nikolidakis 50+
A perfect example here is WikiLeaks. In a time when the world was unstable, and trust in government was a major issue, Assange was able to get the whole world on board in uncovering hidden truths, something which could not be fathomed beforehand. Although WikiLeaks is high quality material, and it was “loud,” I think timing was the biggest factor in how quickly it spread.
Mohammad Marohombsar
I believe this to be true in the real world also. If news hits me and I don't care about it or I can't do anything about it from where I am, then it wouldn't be as loud to me as it would be to someone who is nearer or someone who can do anything about it.
If I were to move my finger, signals are sent to those particular muscles and even if they reach my muscles for moving my toes, it wouldn't move them because the signal wouldn't be loud enough.
jaen slot
Asgar Fakhrudin
Simon Khuvis 50+
Obey No1kinobe 50+
It's ability to find a receptive audience to resonate.
It's ability to be communicated easily
It's value to the audience - frequency of relevance and degree of relevance
It's compatibly with media and channels of communication.
It's simplicity, it's label, or bringing the complex to its more easily communicated essence . Think Big Bang = simple explanatory tag for a very complex concept
The language. Suggest English may propagate more than some obscure local dialect.
All the tipping point principles.
How it makes people feel when they retransmit
How people feel when they hear the idea - does it embed.
Bernd Fesel 30+
My experience is that loud ideas with quick success are not the one which will last for 200 years. democracy never had a quick success.... and the internet needed some 20 years of pre-development before its break though came asf asf
My explanation is a learning in institutional economics: personal incentives are the motives and attractors to engage and to take on an idea - and thus spreading as a person. To discover that an idea has an incentive / advantage for me - that can take awhile.
Curious enough: If you are being told on TV that such and such idea is good for you - what do you do? You distrust and you are careful....one can easily see that mass media is not the solution to spreading ideas... personal networks of similiar minded people like TED or Dog-Lovers are more likely to generate the trust between persons - to make them spread and share ideas...
Andrew Tam
Maybe I'm kind of gullible, but I like to trust the things I see on TV. Of course if something just sounds ridiculous and too good to be true, its going to go over my head, but there are plenty of ideas that have been presented via mass media that seem credible.
Suppose most people are distrustful of the mass media: doesn't this give us reason to do our own research to figure out what is true? I think mass media does a great job with spreading ideas, or at least planting the seeds for an idea to be spread, regardless how correct or incorrect the ideas are. If we don't believe it, we will try to seek the truth, and if we do believe it, we might spread the word.
Andrew Leader 50+
Two basic types of signals are digital signals and analog signals. Digital signals only have values at discrete moments in time, while analog signals are valued at every moment in time. One way of characterizing the way that a system will respond to a signal is to test its impulse response, or the way the system responds to a short pulse at the input. Analog systems tend to have infinite impulse responses, meaning that the response lasts for infinite time, while digital systems tend to have finite impulse responses.
If you'll pardon the electrical engineering jargon, I swear there's a metaphor for the spread of ideas through society in here somewhere. I think that discrete, digital signals are perhaps like ideas that seem to spread in discrete jumps, like through individual letters, articles, or broadcasts. This type of idea spreading is distinct from word-of-mouth, which I liken more to an analog system, in which the definition of each measurement is infinitely more refined. It is perhaps this resolution that carries the information out to infinity.
srinivasan kumar
The sharing which has become so powerful with the advent of the web, things like the tamil Kolaveri song has seen such violent spread it took most by storm. There is so much peer pressure also in subscribing to a “cult”.
Richard Krooman 50+
If theres an 'idea worth spreading' that's none of my business -> I won't spread it.
If theres an idea I don't believe will solve the problem -> I won't spread it.
If the problem solves something that I'm not bothered by -> I won't spread it.
Just try to figure it out by going through all different ideas that you don't want to spread.... the only way for things to spread is when others also believe it is worth spreading
Andrew Tam
Manue M 10+
- how ideas worth spreading do spread
- how very bad ideas, not worth spreading still spread
And then look at what aspects are shared by those two perspectives.
I believe that good and bad ideas can spread fast by:
- being presented by a charismatic person
- when it is cheap, easy to apply and promises fast positive results
-when it is presented at the right time, when people need it... I believe that there are many great avant gardists ideas that are trying to spread but time will have to pass until people are ready and it becomes viral.
Stuart Woods 10+
Josh Mayourian 50+
I have read many posts and what you state basically brings up the main point. So many of the different ways discussed all come down to timing.
There are so many variables to account for in order to spread an idea, and in the end to make it spread best you must take advantage of the timing to optimize your idea being spread.
Zeitgeist fits this idea perfectly!
Nicolette Sinensky 50+
James Kirschberg
Novelty - The idea must be original in some way.
Relevance - The idea must amplify the moment.
Harmony - The idea must be symbiotic, i.e. beneficial for both the messengers and the recipients.
Yu-An Chen 50+
I agree with your parameters for idea to be worth spreading. I believe they can be categorized into the quality aspect to makes an idea spread. A idea that has good quality basically will have long duration and speaks loud for itself.
Mwenjew Wewngwa
2. MODE OF COMMUNICATION
If i have a brilliant idea about how to capture simba, the lion that has been devouring our goats, am sure none of you will read past the heading. Same for some one who will post some thing that i feel has no relevance to me. that chain hits a dead end with me.
The more relevant the idea the more receptive i will be and the more likely i am to spread that idea.
Well if i made a ted talk or posted my brilliant idea here, i would be using an effective means of communication but targeting the wrong audience. thereby making this particular mode ineffective. a smoke signal would be much more effective.
Michael Nguyen
How this idea is different to other ideas.
How important is it to implement this idea
How much potential does the idea have
and how certain does the presenter feel about it working.
Andrew Tam
Thanks for contributing! I'm glad you brought up that last point. It seems that all your other points are dependent on that last one: If someone cannot present an idea clearly or confidently to begin with, then those other points may not even matter. On their own, however, those other points definitely factor into the spreading of an idea.
Michael Nguyen
Sophie Rand 50+
There are ideas that have been around forever--religion, love, friendship...That's why Shakespeare has always been (and I think will always be) popular-- his ideas never get old.
In terms of how 'true' it is, even though I don't believe that anything can be proved to be absolutely true, there are things that everyone experiences, and the truth in something develops out of that. Ultimately I think an ideas' merit is what makes it propagate-- loudness doesnt matter-- in fact, loudness often goes ignored.
Mark Roy
Rumors have no gravity and "decay in time and space". They are usually unrelatable and have no gravity.
And how are relatable and relatability not words?? Using them anyway...
Veronica Shalotenko 50+
After some further thought, though, I came to the conclusion that a person can relate to an idea without agreeing with it. That is, due to the series of circumstances surrounding the idea, the idea can become relevant and significant to a person who would not normally be opposed to it. I suppose one could term this phenomenon “forced relatability.” Or, to make a film reference, perhaps “inception” is the appropriate term.
Reilus Heliodromus
Rhona Pavis 50+
Andrew Tam
I think you bring to light a very interesting issue. I agree that truth has power, and that those things which are true tend to spread more easily. However, truth itself is difficult to work with because it can sometimes be relative - we may think something is true because we agree with it and would like to think it true, regardless of whether or not it actually is true. For example, suppose some recent study showed that watching television improves health. There are going to be people that say, alright I love watching television, and then spread the word to friends. And then there will be those that think the idea kind of silly, and in turn won't spread it around.
Essentially, this seems to boil down to not the truth in the ideas, how we as people react to them, and the truth that we perceive in them. Like Fritzie's comment about rumors - in order for them to spread, it doesn't really matter that they are true. Those who think that the rumor could potentially be true are likely to spread the word, while those that don't are not.
Rhona Pavis 50+
Gerald O'brian 50+
João Pinto
For example: almost every day we watch on TV images of tragedies around the world. After we see so much of that it comes to a point when we don´t get so shocked, although we know that is horrible what we are watching.
That´s what happens with stories and ideas. These days, it has to be something unusual and uncommon to draw attention.
It has to capture attention, even if it is for just a especific audience.
Andrew Tam
You are definitely right about the mass media. Its just bad news after bad news after bad news, and for some reason, this stuff attracts everyone's attention! Does science pertain to a smaller sized audience? Maybe there is some kind of relationship between marketability and kinds of ideas that get spread.
João Pinto
"Does science pertain to a smaller sized audience?"
Asking to your question: Unfortunately, it does.
People get a kind of education through TV wich is getting even more futile day after day. Therefore, people get "educated" according to TV and their preferences get shaped in base of what they see.
Science isn´t that much entertaining (although is very interesting) so TV stations just brings commercial stuff, that serves their (TV stations) interests - gain audiences.
People get used to that type of programmes and starts to rejects what they don´t usually watch - science. It´s a vicious cycle.
Plus, it´s hard to a person that barely reads books to watch something related to science.
I´ve seen very interesting and bombastic news about science that have been shown just for a day.
It´s really a shame that to be good news, isn´t enough that the news is just good and interesting.
Spencer Ferri
Modern media is a sham.
Howard Yee 50+
What would be the preferred reaction to such horrible events? What should we do instead? Is the issue at hand to reduce the information we receive? Do we prefer to live in ignorance? Or do you think we should be affected by such news? I agree that we should aim to do something to prevent man-made tragedies, but natural tragedies are a necessity in order to prevent overpopulation. And in regards to our reaction to man-made tragedies, I think our reaction should not be that of sympathy or sadness, but to question ourselves: “what can we do to contribute and prevent such tragedies in the future?” If we choose to ignore these tragedies, then it is only fair to be treated the same way if we are part of such tragedies.
Mwenjew Wewngwa
I have seen the most despicable things get airtime on media. and they perpetuate and dwell on extreemly inferior things making a big deal out of nothing. read desperation.this coupled with the fact that most of these companies are owned by the same group of people advancing a particular agenda.
I think that its incumbent on us to choose media that not only keeps us informed but also adds value to our lives.
João Pinto
I´m saying that mass media brings us lot of useless, futile and sometimes stupid information. With so much information we can´t filter what´s important and what´s worth our attention. And so, often, important and interesting news goes unnoticed.
Andrew Tam
To make things worse, many people probably think that the news presents us with the most "important" information, and therefore don't go digging around for information themselves.
The mass media is primarily how ideas spread, but the mass media also fails to spread much scientific news, such as the discovery mentioned by Spencer.
Perhaps we should figure out how to get science a bigger spot in the news reel? Ideas in the news reel are already the filtered ones that have been chosen as "good ideas." Thus, the mere presence of science in the mass media may be a huge factor in getting the ideas to spread.
Maria Georgescu 50+
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Andrew Tam
Would you say that we play a larger role in spreading an idea than the idea itself does?
Mary M. 100+
Andrew Tam
Christophe Cop 500+
Spreading ideas are dependent on (according to the accronym they use in the book):
Simple
Unexpected
Concrete
Credible
Emotional
Stories
I feel inclined to agree that those are indeed good principles to think about when you want to spread ideas...
Bernd Fesel 30+
emotional stories are great AND credible if they provide the unexpected - concrete AND simple.
what do you think?
Andrew Tam
Those six characteristics indeed seem like the ingredients needed for ideas to spread. I think "controversial" should be added to that list as well. For some reason, people like to argue!
Do you think there is a similar set of principles for people? Maybe the types of people the idea gets spread to also determines how far the idea will get spread.
Christophe Cop 500+
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/nicholas_christakis_the_hidden_influence_of_social_networks.html
The networked people spread more and faster. (You can identify them by Klout for example)
Other than that, I would think characteristics as charisma, leadership and popularity are signs that a person is influential.
though I don't have a real set of principles/characteristics/personality traits in mind.
Bernd Fesel 30+
Nicholas Christakis inspires to modify the question: what does the network to make an idea spread?
And of course as TEDys we all know at least part of the answer and have experience. Nicholas should research us TEDys... would be great to see!
Andrew Tam
Many of the points discussed in that talk have also been discussed here. Firstly, it reinforces the impact of emotions on the spread of ideas. Secondly, we see that the content of the idea does not matter as much as the network of friends that are spreading it.
The talk also references this "multicentric epidemic." Ideas don't have to blossom from one point of origin. The same idea can have its roots widely spread throughout the country, and through the network of people it is interconnected through, the idea will spread throughout those untouched areas.
Of course you should go watch this talk yourself, I don't think I did it enough justice. Thanks again for sharing!
Kieran Preissler
Andrew Tam
Fritzie Reisner 100+
Andrew Tam
You make a good point about rumors, and how they seem to satisfy a different kind of "quality." How do you think we can give scientific research the same kind of "quality," which would allow it to spread just as rapidly as rumors?
Fritzie Reisner 100+
One challenge with scientific information is how it is interpreted or described to capture people's interest. This can include magnification of potential threats, such as doomsday scenarios with little credibility among experts related to the large hadron collider, or in the same area of science, the labeling of the Higgs boson as the "God particle," when it has nothing to do with religion.
Andrew Tam
Bernd Fesel 30+
Of course one should not misuse it - like "god particle".
In Germany we have a large debate if Facebook is such a misleading label... it is more like "faceselling" or "privacy-sales". Still I am a heavy user of Facebook, please do not misunderstand me
The label "facebook" is in my view 99% of the success of spreacing this social network. We interviewed some artists also on this, Transmediale Berlin: http://www.labkultur.tv/en/video/facebook-and-transmediale-your-face-ours