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Im interested in learning the opinions of the TED community on refugees in Canada.

What do you know? Ever been involved in refugee-relation work? What compelled you to click and read about this topic?

  • Feb 2 2012: Holly, I clicked on this question because I did not think there were refugees in Canada.

    I know the United States has accepted refugees from war-torn areas, or disaster areas and located them in specific places.

    Are there refugees in Canada??
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    Jan 30 2012: As someone being from Canada and a TED member, I will see if I can answer to some degree (especially as, according to family in Canada, the issues on immigration are similar to those here in England)..

    My issue with immigration is not directed at the immigrants themselves (I find the ratio of good:bad are essentially similar throughout the world), rather the policy that the government implemented.
    Too many people were allowed in at a far too high rate and there was (and is) too little of a filtering system to determine the quality of the people that are given access.

    For all of the positive cases (helpful to the economy and integration into society for some), there are also many negatives (requiring excessive government housing and services, sending income back home, adding competition to limited available work, expecting the country to bend to the wants and expectations of them rather than the other way around, also by some) and this is once again the quality issue that needs to be addressed.
    Some immigrants simply dont/cant fit with modern western society and have no intention to, but have no issue using it as a cashcow and scoffing and mocking the country whilst reaping all of its benefits.

    Certain percentages of minority groups (lets just say it...usually muslims in this instance) seem to lose all memory of the issues that forced them to leave their country of origin and expect its full identical implementation here (which will ofcourse no doubt ruin the country, causing them to move once more and repeat somewhere else, like a cancer).
    Having such people provide no value to a progressive country and a government backbone should be added to throw such people out without hesitation.

    As stated many times, Immigrants themselves as people (for the most part) don't tend to be the issue; Its the policy and lack of filtering which I feel is playing a significant role in damaging the society.
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      Jan 30 2012: Interesting.

      She says "refugees", you hear "immigrants".
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        Jan 30 2012: Pretty much synonymous at present for the people in question.
        The majority of immigrants in the system are typically coming from parts of the middle east and africa where they are consistently unstable, but how much of the reason that makes many of them 'refugees' is often questionable.
        For example, a large number in the local area are from Kurdistan. Technically it could class them as refugees due to fighting on the border with Iraq (which many of them claim to gain citizenship), but whether that is actually enough of a case to give them that classification is questionable, the same typically applies to those who claim they will be tortured if they are sent back to their nation...is that really the case? or just because they will gain citizenship for saying it?
        In conclusion- I consider both refugees and immigrants to be the same thing when it comes to the people in question.
        Had the post been about 'polish' or 'european', then I would have made the distinction more clear.
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          Jan 30 2012: "Im interested in learning the opinions of the TED community on refugees in Canada.

          "What do you know? Ever been involved in refugee-relation work? What compelled you to click and read about this topic?"

          Where do you see ethnicity specified?

          And yes, as an immigrant to Canada, specifically, I am annoyed.

          "A refugee is a person who is outside their country of origin or habitual residence because they have suffered persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or because they are a member of a persecuted 'social group'."

          I was less than a year old when we left Barbados for North America. Still a little unclear as to why one would leave a toast warm country with a - then - 98% literacy for NYC first - though quite clear on why one might leave NYC for Canada at the time in question.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate
          (I dispute the validity of `For highly developed/high income countries where literacy statistics were not collected, a rate of 99% was assumed." I love Canada, but there is no way in hell 99% is accurate given the issues we have with the treatment of First Nations among others. And you're on drugs if you think the US has a 99% literacy rate.)

          Not every immigrant is a refugee, nor are they leaving dire straits. Sometimes, they're just being sold on the idea of "progressiveness" whether that's technological or societal. Also, I wouldn't compare Canada and England as far as destinations. For instance one would be less likely to leave the overtly-British island of Barbados for England (specifically) if your motivation is 'progress'.