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Are we as a world creating a "GOLDENMAN'.

The theory is that we are approaching no pure race and that the lines will be obscured between red, white, black, brown, etc .. The latest poll of the American Indian (Jan 2012) shows that approximately 60+% admit to be multirace. There have been indicators that interracial marriages are growing as the taboos of the past are not the taboos of today.

As this continues I submit that within the next 100 years we will have no pure race and thus the creation of the "GOLDENMAN'.

What will be the impact on "Cultures" as we know them.

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    Robert Winner 50+

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    Feb 2 2012: I want to thank all of the people who are trying to set me up with dates. This is a real kick for a great grand father. I ask a friend who is a Dr of Lit to read the question and let me know what he thought it was about. He saw that it was a concern about the races merging and the loss of cultures. I ask him to read again for sexual content. He did not see any. He did say that there are some people that would turn anything and everything into a sexual fantasy. With this in mind I will not respond to the sexual imaginative.
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      Gisela McKay 30+

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      Feb 2 2012: Unfortunately, it's a common enough meme in our society. So many of the stereotypes are sexual: the black man stealing the white women, white men's fantasies about obsequious East Asian women, and so on.

      As to culture, was it Nietzsche who said something about not relying on others to carry a torch after you are gone. You have your lifetime. You don't get others lives as well.

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          Gisela McKay 30+

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          Feb 2 2012: Hmm. Not sure. There's no guarantee she won't take your nose off. While sporting pigtails, I appear kitten-y and demure, too. Many have made that mistake.

          I'm thinking more the bowing, bound-feet, walking (hobbling) several feet behind the male, stereotype. You know, the alternative to the pushy, independent Western women.

          The sort of stereotypical East Asian woman that I've never actually met in person, despite knowing rather a sufficient number of East Asian women of a variety of nationalities.

          I am vaguely willing to imagine they may exist overseas somewhere (not having traversed the Himalayan mountains into the "Orient" proper, I can't definitively say they don't). But I doubt it.

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          Gisela McKay 30+

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          Feb 3 2012: ...because I don't think that a woman's looks necessarily dictate her personality?

          She is gorgeous. I just wouldn't make the leap into implying anything about her as a person from it. I don't tend to view people as blank slates onto which I can project my preconceived notions.

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          Gisela McKay 30+

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          Feb 3 2012: Did you not read the post you replied to?

          If you meant it in some other context other than "white men's fantasies about obsequious East Asian women" you probably should have posted it elsewhere.

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          Gisela McKay 30+

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          Feb 3 2012: Me: "Unfortunately, it's a common enough meme in our society. So many of the stereotypes are sexual: the black man stealing the white women, white men's fantasies about obsequious East Asian women, and so on."

          You: "Do you mean something like this?"

          Wow. Are you actually now going to pretend like that has nothing to do with the words before it? You are going to pretend that you were NOT presenting her as the stereotype in question?

          I'm sorry, obviously I missed that you meant her to represent the black man stealing white women.

          Nice try.

          EDIT: Perhaps you don't actually know what 'obsequious' means. "Obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree."

          That's a personality call, not something to be determined from a photograph. I have no idea why you would choose that poor woman to illustrate it.

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          Gisela McKay 30+

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          Feb 3 2012: Yes, that would be why I berated you for holding up that woman as an example of an "obsequious East Asian woman" and commented that I don't imply personality in a photograph.

          That makes tonnes of sense.

          The model is a human being who may or may not be offended by your assumption, and may or may not be inclined to rip you a new one for your idiotic assumption. You put the two elements in conjunction, not me. Don't pretend that your issues with race are mine.

          "I see what I see as it is, and I like what I like as it is." You are still doing it.

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          Gisela McKay 30+

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          Feb 3 2012: You mean the phrase to which YOU chose to post that picture in response?

          Had the phrase "extraordinary beauty" been uttered anywhere in proximity to your link, you would have this excuse. But it wasn't. We were discussing stereotypes and YOU chose to post that picture with the question "Do you mean something like this?"

          Stop being deliberately obtuse (or perhaps it is not deliberate). People can see right through you.

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          Gisela McKay 30+

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          Feb 3 2012: I am failing to see why you felt any need whatsoever to illustrate stereotypes. Maybe you can go find some "beautiful" pictures that represent black men stealing white women, too.

          How about Little Black Sambo? Some sexy shots of Drunken Irish Guy?

          What is wrong with you?

          Do all of these stereotypes require you to validate/redeem them?

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          Gisela McKay 30+

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          Feb 3 2012: "I've been trying really hard to illustrate to you how all those stereotypes you mentioned have gone seriously outdated."

          Oh, well you probably should have said that up front. I am home sick with a cold and all I could think was "why is this man defending this?" And so adamantly.

          I don't know that replacing one stereotype with an updated one is an improvement.

          I think we can see the woman in the photograph and acknowledge that she is gorgeous without imagining we know anything about her as a person.

          It's like my argument against Plato's Republic -- even if we hold everything "in common", the artisan's touch and the innate symmetry of some will cause envy in others unless we solve the underlying issue.

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          Gisela McKay 30+

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          Feb 3 2012: Yes indeed. I am home with a cold and bored. And by nature an argumentative creature.

          Congratulations on stating the obvious.

          I, on the other hand, have no idea to this minute why YOU felt the need to be oblique and "update" stereotypes. The context in which you chose to begin the conversation is a beyond weird, and I find it disingenuous claiming that it was just about "beauty'.

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          Gisela McKay 30+

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          Feb 3 2012: And what did you reply to? What context did you give the photograph?

          "Obsequious".

          How else did you imagine it would get parsed other than: "Is that photograph what I meant by an obsequious East Asian woman?"

          There are millions of images of dramatic makeup available and you chose that one.

          This one would not say "servile":
          http://ferenc.biz/pictures/asian-model-creative-editorial-make-up.jpg
          (Apparently, you'd have to cut and paste that.)

          You could pick a different ethnicity. You chose that.

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          Gisela McKay 30+

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          Feb 3 2012: "I hope all of this clarifies."

          Not really, but I'm going to go with Hanlon's Razor on the subject.

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