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Atheists also beleive.
If one analyses a lion; its teeth, its paws, its strength etc. s/he would understand that it is wild beast that wouldnot prefer eating leaves or vegetables. It would be obvious that this type of an animal prefers hunting bloody meat.
If one analyses a car; its engines, its pipes etc. s/he would understand that a car will not be able to work with water or coke.
If the same analyses a person;its inner world, s/he would take in that this creature is structured to believe in something; Ancient Greeks beleived in gods(Zeus,Paseidon...),middle age arabs to Lutta,Uzza..., Buddists to Dyo,Catholics to God,Orthodoxs to Bog,Muslims to Allah, Satanists to satan and atheists beleive that the Creator doesnot exist.
It would be paradoxical but Atheists also do beleive.
E G 10+
Davut Hydyrov
Davut Hydyrov
Obey No1kinobe 20+
Davut Hydyrov
So you claim that all those fables are pointless and nonsense ,because they are applying animal perspective to human perspective?! Aisec`d have been dissapointed,had he heard this :).
2) murdery, violence,rape
Will you be able to show any verse suggesting murdery,violence,rape in any (so claimed) divine scriptures? Taurah,Bible,Kuran ? If `yes` please type them down.
3) death
Leaving scientific dispute aside, let us think what atheism offers as a remedy for death? Because,we have to admit, death is unbearable phenomenon for humanity. If your will be, allow me to tell you what religion offers humanity; As all members of a plant kingdom(particularly flowers) rebirth after so called Winter death, why then humanity kingdom willnot be rebirthed after Death?!
Regards.
Gabo Moreno 50+
E G 10+
Just simple thinking Davut in this universe exist the evil . But to be atheist because of such things it's also not making any sense.
Gabo Moreno 50+
E G 10+
Why am I not making any sense here ? because I said we shouldn't embrace atheism because of such reasons . Gabo, Davut tried to make an argument I think , in my opinion that's a wrong argument ; you have to understand our arguments don't define our God .
Gabo Moreno 50+
E G 10+
Davut Hydyrov
p.s Responses for comments are coming sooner,gonna go now.
Gabo Moreno 50+
By the way. I don't believe that "the creator" does not exist. I don't see any evidence that a creator does exist. On the other hand, I see plenty of evidence that gods are human inventions. Thus I conclude that gods don't exist. It's a conclusion, not a belief. All of this is very different to "believing" that some specific creator does not exist.
Now, rejecting your proposed god(s), does not mean we "leave everything to coincidences." But that we (or at least "I") leave everything to natural phenomena. Quite the difference yet again, right?
Hasta lueguito,
-G
Davut Hydyrov
Regards!
Gabo Moreno 50+
Obey No1kinobe 20+
in a way everthing we percieve or interpret about the world is a form of belief. i belive im typing on ted. who knows. i might be a computer programme. just some things are more or less evident. i agree that in this sense athiest believe something different to theists. the jump from not understanding every single aspect of our universe to explaing this with some super being is huge claim. especially today. we have been able to explain so much previously xplained with false assumptions. the world in not flat. earth is not the cantre of the solar system. volcanos dont erupt because of angry volcano gods.
i also dont believe in zeus fairies demons vishnu odin.
Manue M
Carlin Covey
Everyone is a "believer", but not everyone believes in the same things. I am an atheist, and I believe in many things. I believe that there are protons in the nucleus of an atom, that there is a (former) planet named Pluto, and that the cells of my body contain DNA. I, personally, have no physical evidence of any of these things, yet I believe them all the same. I also believe that I could accumulate physical evidence of these things if I devoted enough time, energy and thought. But I instead choose to believe that many other individuals have already accumulated this evidence. So my own beliefs were acquired from "authorities", not directly from evidence.
I contend that it is the same with all of us. Those who believe in a god acquired this belief from other individuals that they chose to regard as "authorities" i.e. parents, priests, rabbis, imams, etc. I chose to regard my parents and my teachers as authorities. Although my parents and probably many of my teachers had religious views, they did not force them on me. So I acquired a secular belief system. I don't believe in the existence of gods, or fairies, or ghosts, or pyramid power, or any of hundreds of other supernatural phenomena. Yet there are many who do believe in these phenomena simply because they incorporated these phenomena into their belief systems as they grew up.
As long as a belief system is internally consistent and is not contradicted by well known facts, intellectually I can't see any reason to disparage such a belief system. Yet emotionally most of us do choose to disparage some belief systems that differ from our own. For instance, many people would laugh at someone who believes in leprechauns, but not one who believes in God. So please feel free to laugh at me for believing in protons.
Obey No1kinobe 20+
Robert Ezell
We have developed brains that can actively adapt to changing conditions and incorporate information. Unlike a fly, we will not ram into a closed glass door over and over again because our brains are too small to do much more than follow genetically encoded behaviors. We have the advanced resources and behaviors to consider what is, accept some claims as true, others as false. When one accepts a statement as true, one has a belief.
We are free to believe pretty much whatever we like. Ideally, we would have evidence and or reason to justify our beliefs. We can't always do that. Sometimes we have to make do with what we have and consider some claims as likely or unlikely. Even those things that we believe we should be willing to revise in light of new evidence and or reason.
Faith doesn't do that. Faith is how to justify a belief without proper justification.
Yes, atheists believe too. That doesn't mean that atheists believe that no god(s) actually exist. Some do, others believe it better not to bother forming a belief about the actual existence of god(s) either way. After all, the cost of such an investment seems steep, and there is no evidence of any returns on that investment. It just doesn't seem to matter.
Davut Hydyrov
You speak about brain,reason,intellect etc. as if you put me and others who believe, in a position of ignorant docile beings. Allow me to correct you, the faith I posses is perfectly justified with logical proofs and the reason.You seem to be a person of an intellect, so how come that you pass by such a beatiful well arranged order(eg. cell structure, golden ratio, planet formation etc.). I think it is impossible to claim that `Sun after Bing Bang decided to pose itself in 23 angel degree twards Earth,so that earth will have 4 seasons; or that Mitochondria(in cell structure) made its mind to serve to cell with supplying energy because it did not like doing work Lysosome does(grinds food coming from outside); or atmosphere layers decided to be 7 because they didnot like any other number...etc.The thing I am ignorant is in ithat I do not understand how it is possible to leave them to Coincidences. Let us concieve that we have seperate letters U O Y E V O L I ; according to theory of Probability, what would be the probabilty of those letters when dropping them to become I LOVE YOU ?!
The point I am leading to is that it is impossible for them coincidencly form intellectual meaning without author or master!
2-Dependency
Most think that people with faith are restrained on their wills thus they are dependent and not free.Well, those who think so may be right in some aspects; where as they might not know that religious people are more free than those who are without. Non-believers are perpetually sceptic,they do not have proper,concrete foundation to rely on, thus they can be easily dellusioned by any `mesmirizing` system (eg.Communism)
Obey No1kinobe 20+
Why is it there is life on Earth, not Mercury or Venus, or the sun, or empty space (as far as we know - suggest there is a good chance of life somewhere else). Its just that the conditions weren't amenable. That doesn't mean Earth was made for humans.
Would we have been okay if the angle was slightly different? OR zero? Do we need seasons to survive? We might have been in trouble in the orbit was more elliptical. Or if earth was closer to the sun. Or if our atoms ended up in the sum rather than earth.
And in this supposed perfect universe, at some stage our Sun will expand and die. Earth will be obliterated. Just this is outside our puny human time scale. Asteroid hits or nearby super nova might do us in sooner. Also cancer, disease....
If our descendants survive on the galactic time scale, they probably won't be anything like we are now in 100,000 or a million years. Or another Billion.
Coincidence on a more human scale - I exist because my mother and father met, and their parents met, and their parents met etc. They all survived long enough to mate. Many of their siblings didn't.
Natural processes are going to have outcomes. They don't need a driver.
Perhaps believers are more open to views that clash with more religious views. Religious views seem compatible with Fascism, crusades, burning witches, stoning raped women, human sacrifice, keeping slaves, rascism, sexism, wars of aggression etc. My understanding is about 80% of the current population have some religious belief. I suggest they are responsible for a fair share of killing, lying, stealing, cheating, hatred going on. This is a human problem. I'd suggest religion doesn't seem any better than secular or humanist views on average. Even if atheism did result in worse social outcomes that doesn't make any religious belief system correct
Davut Hydyrov
So death for you is just cessation of life and nothing else?! ...not to be :) Crazy advice: try yourself in a coffin for 3 minutes and imagine your END. I bet you will hold different language. For, if to hearken our ego, it is not content with mortality, it seeks infinity.
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I sensed that you beleive in god, but sort of offended on Him. As if he is tyrant or despot making fun of us?! I respect your position but donot consent with that. The way you see is the way you think, the way you think is the way you enjoy your life ! Yes, there are some ostensible factors like poverty,handicapped births, calamaties,loss of very dear people that prompt us complaints,hates towards Him. But why donot we bother ourselves to ,a little, investigate; we are free,if we donot find persuasive answer,then here we go `Let us not trust Him.`
Dear friend let me tell you that He is not in need for our niether beleifs nor worships,it is we who need it. :) We are free to choose. By the way, I am not religious zealot as you would think of me, I am perhaps a guy like you who enjoys playing football,watching some good movies and having fun!
Malika Leys
Sometimes science behaves like it is a religion : Some scientist have proven (read : believe) that their is no such thing as global warming and others prove ( read believe) that their is. another example Black holes. If we are honest, how many people have seen a black hole ? How many people now what a black hole is. But there is a scientist that is creating black holes, and she is convinced it is a black hole. One could almost compare her with a prophet. Is it true ? Is it false ? How can she be so certain of something that has only be observed in a distance ? 7800 light years away according to a mathematical model. And if I am not wrong a mathematical model made by man ?
For us non scientist, well we surely don't know. We put our trust and beliefs and act upon it depending on the people we choose to believe, be that a particular scientists, the reverend, the rabbi, a prophet, scientific discovery or religion.
I think we are all believers and then in some areas we just don't know, the agnostics. It seems that being an agnostic is a more humble approach to life and forces around it ? An example : I don't know if reincarnation is true. But, by God, I hope not. :-) Just to be on the safe side, lets not do anything that we will regret in the afterlife. If there is any afterlife ? Because I just don't know.
Robert Ezell
A theist is one who believes that some god(s) actually exist.
An atheist is the logical negation of a theist; that is, one for whom it is not the case that they believe some god(s) actually exist.
I agree that agnosticism is a good approach. Agnosticism deals with knowledge, not belief. One can claim to know a claim is true or false, and be a gnostic... or they can say they dont know and be an agnostic.
I, for example, am an agnostic atheist. If there actually exists some god(s), I'd love to find out. As of yet, I haven't encountered any good reason or evidence to justify that there actually exists some god(s). If I ever do, I'll become a theist.
I just get tired of all the straw-manning of the atheist position that abounds around here.
Malika Leys
it is sadly a vicious side-effect of social groups. Them versus us. It degrades very fast into intolerance and discrimination. It is almost unavoidable. Those who believe, believe that non believers have it all wrong. The stronger the feeling of belonging to a group (religious, political party, basketball team, town, school, click) the stronger the adverse feelings one develops for non-members.
Institutionalized groups thrive on making their members feel that they are better then the rest, that they are lucky to be part of such a wonderful group of intelligent people who are so right. It's a dangerous cocktail and very little good comes from it.
That's why I think it is so important to learn ourselves and our children the concept of real free will, of wondering and also always question one-self and others and even the law without disrespect. Just to make sure the morals are ok ?
Some psychotic persons aside, I think most of us know inside if something is morally good or not. If something is going to be bad for someone else or not regardless of cultural standards and differences.
As long as this is not a given, i guess all fora will contain some expression of non respect. I choose to politely ignore ?
Obey No1kinobe 20+
Given the powerful influence of these beliefs I suggest we should keep on with the debate, while trying to minimise violence.
Davut Hydyrov
Matthieu Miossec 100+
Obey No1kinobe 20+
Given our understanding of plate tectonics today, would you assume a volcano erupts because the volcano god is angry. Is the sun a golden chariot?
I can understand how religion and supernatural filled these knowledge gaps in the past. I can understand that people were indoctrinated in their tribes religion and did not have the understanding we have today on how thousands if not millions of religious belief systems and interpretations have developed, evolved, been absorbed or died.
Given any set of facts or information and a contextual framework, it is reasonable to start trying to determine the most likely scenario without claiming you have the absolute truth. With proper consideration of the evidence, not trying to warp the evidence to suit your paradigms, understanding of the situation should become clearer. Obviously we shouldn't believe everything a human says is absolutely correct just because they are on CNN, or are the pope, or a supposed prophet, preacher, guru, or demi god.
Given our improved understanding today, and freedom, in some places, to choose which if any religious view makes the most sense, is it appropriate to jump to the extraordinary claim that some godlike being is responsible for the universe and in some cases believing this being is still intervening in our lives. Especially is you start to get specific and say it was the one that choose some desert dwelling tribes as his chosen people, or other mythology/religious claims.
William Knipe
Matthieu Miossec 100+
Davut Hydyrov
2) I would give you consent, if you manage to surmount the phenomenon which from the very beginning perpetually bothers humanity- DEATH. Atheism doesnot offer anything to sooth humanity, it shows DEATH as a gallows to be hung, by telling that after death we,humanity, are going to decay and meanwhile eaten by worms.Now hearken to your SELF, do you content with such final?!
Matthieu Miossec 100+
Obey No1kinobe 20+
1. What makes you think the universe is perfect? Is it as good as it could be? What is the definition of a perfect universe? If I could, I'd design one without cancer.
It's a different question to ask how did the universe come about to be as it is today? Given the nature of matter, energy and the key forces, physical laws you'd expect the planets, life to operate within these constraints.
2. That's like arguing I feel sad about trees dying so there should be a tree heaven. Isn't isn't it sad all the animals died in the forest fire - there should be an animal afterlife. The fact that reality, life is not without its challenges and ultimately is finite (until we master the aging process etc), is not a sound argument for an afterlife.
Actually who would really want to live for ever? I could imagine a few hundred years if healthy, happy and comfortable, then expect I'd seek a final rest. At this stage I'd suggest our human minds are not infinity ready. Eternal life, if anything life actual life, would be torture after a point. Of course whichever deity is in charge would make it a nice experience for some and perhaps terrible for others. Its hard to argue an eternal afterlife experience would be a good one or a bad one given no one can explain what it's actually like and if they did our human brains would struggle to comprehend.
Davut Hydyrov
- he is either master or amateur,
- he is aware of us or not,
- he is a merciful(who nurtures us) or a despot(who doesnot care about us);
Observing His masterpiece it is obvious that He is a great master,if he is a master, then he should think,if he can think, then he should be smart, if he is smart then there should be a point in creating us?!
Observing his outsanding masterpieces ( eg. cell structure, or galaxy) it is vivid that he is a Master; but is he a merciful master or a despot?! Let us think of Einstein, Einstein founded science of sophisticated physics,which shows that he was a master. Was he a tyrant who wanted to destroy whole earth with atomic bomb, or a devoted scientist who sought betterment for humanity?!
Matthieu Miossec 100+
Davut Hydyrov
2. Praise be to God, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the world;
3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
6. Show us the straight way,
7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace,
those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.
Amen.
Carlin Covey
You started a conversation on the theme that atheists also believe. Please stick to that theme. This is a forum for conversation, not for religious ritual.
Matthieu Miossec 100+
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3. the world
4. Are you
5. on about
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Krisztián Pintér 100+
i can prove none of these. i just believe. and i assert that believing in these things are good. and believing in god is not good.
Timothy Shreffler
Does what you believe comfort you? Does it make you happy? Does your belief make you feel love? The reason I ask these questions is because I believe that we are endless and infinite, it's proven that man can change thought into reality. That being said if you could turn your thoughts and beliefs into a visible reality that you can see, touch, feel, hear, taste... Would that reality serve you well and make you feel loved? If yes then I believe you are on the right path if not then maybe you should choose to believe something else... It's your choice and you will always have one as we are our own will....
Matthieu Miossec 100+
Davut Hydyrov
1) How come that you leave such a perfectly designed universe to hands of coincidences.Well.you would say we donot,then it means you are venturing that atoms, molecules,hemoglobin,lysosome,planets etc. are INTELLECTUAL beings that they masterly made their minds and function in a way they should function.
2) I would give you consent, if you manage to surmount the phenomenon which from the very beginning perpetually bothers humanity- DEATH. Atheism doesnot offer anything to sooth humanity, it shows DEATH as a gallows to be hung, by telling that after death we,humanity, are going to decay and meanwhile eaten by worms.Now hearken to your SELF, do you content with such final?!
Matthieu Miossec 100+
Obey No1kinobe 20+
Some claims are more extravagant than others. Some have more or less evidence.
Without getting into the rabbit holes of what is real, and absolute precision...
if I claim to have 2 legs, we agree on the definition of legs, you see I have 2 legs, there is a good chance we are correct.
If we repeatably measure acceleration due to gravity as 9.81m/s/s at ground level on planet earth... then claiming these to be true is a fairly well substantiated claim.
I'd suggest religious claims don't have a sound basis for their claims, or are proposed to operate in realm of spirit outside testable reality. Religious belief is incredibly diverse and malleable and faith in the unprovable or unlikely is seen as a virtue.
Ken Driese
Keith Pinster
Atheism is the act of looking toward evidence and logic to answer questions, as opposed to using superstition and fairy tales.
Saying that an Atheist is a "believer" is the same as saying that someone who doesn't collect stamps is still a hobbyist. To say that it requires a "belief system" in order to disregard nonsensical fairy tales because there is no evidence to support any of the concepts just goes to show how desperate you are to try to create some equilibrium between delusional superstitions and rational thought.
Xavier Belvemont 10+
Let us also not forget that almost every believer in existence is one through indoctrination rather than a personal thought-process which led to that conclusion.
So its not even 'people' looking for answers, rather, several people hundreds of years earlier.
One side of my family were originally all catholics, but as one member of the family found out when creating a family tree --Everyone born into the family were 'catholics' solely by birth. We then later found that we could pinpoint the person who introduced the religion to the family.
It was simply 1 man who came into the family as a catholic, convinced his wife to be one aswell and then had 7 children, raising all of them as catholics aswell, and thats what led to that part of the family all being catholics a number of generations later.
Apparently divine truth relies on convincing four year olds to continue its message..
Peter Law 10+
"Saying that an Atheist is a "believer" is the same as saying that someone who doesn't collect stamps is still a hobbyist. "
You have a point. However Atheism pretty much obliges one to be a materialist. You must believe that everything originated from a material source without any immaterial assistance. That requires faith.
:-)
Keith Pinster
Unlike theist, rationally minded people actually accept that there are things we don't know. How did the universe begin? We don't know. The problem for you is that, just because I don't know, doesn't automatically prove that any crazy story that you make up is true.
I know that theists like to try to say that atheist have "beliefs" and "faith" in order to try to put us on the same footing. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Theists believe in their fairy tales DESPITE all the evidence against the truth of those delusions. Atheists' "beliefs" (if you MUST call them that) are based solely on evidence, not the lack thereof or to the contrary.
Here's an exercise: You explain to me how all other religions are invalid except for yours (WITHOUT simply saying the bible is the word of god because the bible says so, and if the bible says so it must be true because it's the word of god. Circular reasoning is not allowed.). Once you have explained and proven why all other religions are invalid except yours, I will use that same reasoning to explain why yours is just as invalid as all the rest. How does that sound?
Peter Law 10+
"Let's look at the definition: "belief that is not based on proof""
You believe that the universe was made without intelligent input; that requires faith as it cannot be proven.
I do not engage in debate with advocates of sky fairies, teapots, etc., it would be a waste of my time.
:-)
Keith Pinster
All in all, your argument is just a childish attempt to say that your "beliefs" with no evidence at all except at best circumstantial evidence, but what is really just speculation on your part, are just as valid as my "lack of belief" (which stems specifically from observable evidence), which just doesn't hold any water at all.
Davut Hydyrov
Obey No1kinobe 20+
Of course we also tend to think the universe revolves around us. That it was created specifically for us, even though most of it is light years away and redundant. Our tendency to take an anthropological view point can also be explained by science.
Agree the religious meme is sticky and widespread.
It is a great leap from observing that religious belief is very common to suggesting there is some absolute truth or god we can barely comprehend. Perhaps the absolute truth is none of the theist views got it right. But there is a chance you are correct just like any other extravagant claim that can not be proven one way or the other.
Language is also widespread. Perhaps there is an ultimate language or method of communication that we have been seeking for centuries.
Robert Ezell
I'm not a materialist. I do not believe that everything is ultimately composed of some sort of substantial stuff. I care not for the atoms of Democritus, corpuscles, "particles", super strings, or lego blocks. I find the materialist notion that things are made of substantial entities unfounded. Every time we think we found matter... it turns out that it wasn't matter at all; rather, the activity of some unknown stuff that we then considered to be the ultimate matter of things.
I'm an act of organs which are acts of tissues... cells... organelles... molecules... atoms... subatomic phenomena. Some subatomic phenomena are acts of other subatomic phenomena. We don't know much about those 'elementary' subatomic phenomena. We do know that they are accurately described as 'quanta of energy' which is a scientific way of saying 'discrete packets of measurable activity' which is a verbose way of saying 'acts'. I detect no hint of any 'matter' composing any of this.
I don't believe in 'spiritual' matter either.
In any case, atheism does not equate to materialism.
Peter Law 10+
Sorry for stereotyping you, I was speaking from personal experience, but of course there will be exceptions. Very refreshing, pleased to meet you.
:-)
Keith Pinster
You believe that the universe was made without intelligent input; that requires faith as it cannot be proven."
Let's look at how logic works: The "belief" that there was "intelligent input" of the creation of the universe is an assertion, and an exceptional one at that. Since you are the one making the assertion, the burden of proof lies on YOU to provide evidence, not me to provide evidence that any delusional superstition that you come up with is invalid. My lack of buying into your crazy fairy tales does not constitute a "belief", it is actually a "LACK OF BELIEF". Since, as you point out, "belief is not proof" (the only thing you've been right about so far, as far as I can tell), you have no PROOF or even EVIDENCE that your assertion have any validity.
"I do not engage in debate with advocates of sky fairies, teapots, etc., it would be a waste of my time."
Ironic, since you are the one that is an advocate for your particular brand of fairy tales. Also ironic, since you felt the need to engage in this conversation, but at the very end declared that you "refuse to engage". Too funny!!!
Keith Pinster
First, where does your assertion come from that there is "perfect design"? I assert that nature is just that: nature. Why do you feel the need to add a "designer" to it? Second, even if there were "perfect design", why does there have to be intelligence behind it? And third, even if there is some sort of intelligence behind the creation of the universe, what is your proof that your sky fairy MUST be the only valid source of that intelligence? Just because you can't imagine that the universe didn't have intelligence behind the creation, does not make it a fact that there must have been. You are the one making the assertion, please provide empirical, examinable proof that your assertion is the only valid one.
"2) I would give you consent, if you manage to surmount the phenomenon which from the very beginning perpetually bothers humanity- DEATH. Atheism doesnot offer anything to sooth humanity..."
I'm not really sure what you are saying here, but I believe that you are basically saying that you feel the desperate need to have an afterlife and, since atheism professes that there is no afterlife, you think that makes atheism somehow "invalid". First, let's talk about the burden of proof. You claim that you believe there is an afterlife, and I say that I refuse to accept your claim. Since you are the one making the assertion, the burden of proof is on you to prove that there IS an afterlife, not on me to prove why I don't accept your assertion. You "feeling better" by believing in an afterlife does not provide evidence, not even circumstantial evidence, that such a condition exists. It is merely speculation.
As Peter Law clearly points out, "belief is not proof." My refusal to accept your assertion is not a "belief", indeed it is a "lack of belief." You are the one making the assertion, it is up to you to provide proof of it's validity.
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Robert Ezell
2. "Although very religious people fear death the least, studies suggest, total unbelievers take second place for ability to take their mortality in stride. The worst death anxieties haunt those who lie somewhere in between those extremes—who are a little religious."
Cited from: http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/050628_deathfearfrm.htm
Unless you are a religious zealot, I probably fear death less than you do. That doesn't surprise me since I don't fear death. I want to avoid it for now, sure. Am I certain of what will happen when I die? No. Most likely I shall simple cease to be. I find that much preferable to getting rewarded for venerating one who would damn me to eternal torture for not believing in or venerating them. I would find even eternal torment preferable to believing in and venerating such a villain.
Xavier Belvemont 10+
Well its not just paradoxical, its nonsense.
A person who doesn't believe a claim =/= a person who does.
By that logic there are two types of people, those who believe unicorns exist and those who don't, therefore everyone believes...Sorry but thats just an asinine conclusion, I can't see any nice way of putting it.
Davut Hydyrov
Xavier Belvemont 10+
But atheism isn't a belief in something, its a disbelief.
You believe something exists and I don't believe your position is true: Thats atheism
Its not a belief its a lack there of.
Even if I (a life long gnostic atheist) was to agree with your definition of atheism (which I don't), it still wouldn't make sense for the same reason as saying to your daughter that 'monsters dont exist' wouldn't conclude that you're holding a positive and active belief system. The only reason why the semantics are applied in this case is because people just so happen to be accustomed to this concept over the former, which is basically the logical fallacy of special pleading.
Davut Hydyrov
If your will be here is a story i encountered two days ago; while I was walking through the street i suddenly realized that the cat of our neiborhood converted to a lion and was about to attack me;with scare i started running and amazingly, I realized that i can fly. After a while, rescuing myself from a cat, i attemted to land down however i couldnot see any land under my feet, meanwhile i decided to fly to the moon,where i stayed for a day(day lasts there 64hours) The next day,fortunately i found my place.
I know you found it very nonsense, but i am terribly sorry, it is the same what you beleive in, by leaving all the well-designed universe to the hands of coincidence.
Please, do not get me wrong I donot intend to be destructive and offensive because my belief teaches me not to be so.Regards.
Davut Hydyrov
Heart- for only pumping blood?! I do not think so; it is for LOVING,BELEIVING and TRUSTING.
Julian Blanco 30+
EDIT HERE: sorry, I was being sarcastic, I don’t consider the existence of god or souls to be reasonable propositions. We are animals, our emotions are not so special, we do have a very large brain…
Davut Hydyrov
I understood from your comment that animals are brutal thogh they have a heart. Then how would you explain a passionate care of brutal mother-lioness to its kids ?!
Davut Hydyrov
Keith Pinster
If we look at our ancestor, we see that we evolved from a common ancestor to bobos and chimps. If we look at our physiology, we have the exact same body parts as other animals. it is clearly evident that we are animals that happened to have evolved a larger brain. Conclusion: we are animals.
If we look at any religion out there: There is not a single speck of evidence that there is any validity of any of their claims. Conclusion: Religions are false.
Regarding your question: Is the belief that we are animals the same as a belief in "god"? One has evidence and the other has evidence against it. Conclusion: fact vs delusion. Therefore I think the answer is "No".
Seems pretty simple to me. LOL
Keith Pinster