TED Conversations

This conversation is closed.

Why do we need violence to transfer power?

Revolutions are some very effective types of mass manipulation through which power changes and shifts. Why do we, humas, hold on to our positions or ideas even if we know we are wrong?


Showing single comment thread. View the full conversation.

  • Jan 28 2012: Violence is not the way of women.
    • W T 100+

      • +1
      Jan 29 2012: Walk through an elementary school on any given day and watch 6,7 and 8 year old girls have at it like it's the Jerry Springer show.

      You know Rhona, 40 years ago I remember the quote: "Girls are sugar and spice and everything nice."
      That is just not true anymore. Not of every woman. Women are just as violent and aggressive as men. They might not have the brute strength of men, but they can still manipulate events, and attack if provoked.

      As a matter of fact, girls, even in the elementary schools are violent. I remember one particular day walking through the halls of a school, and observing pieces of hair on the floor. Upon investigation, I discovered two girls had a huge fight, and one proceeded to pull the hair of another. It was done with such hatred that the pieces came off.

      I was shocked.....I had never seen anything like it. My view of girls changed.
      • Jan 29 2012: Mary,. it seems likely that girls growing up in a male designed and male dominated system would show some perversions in their behavior, since they never received the respect and acknowledgement of their equality to men. Do you understand the self-hatred women who have anorexia and bulimia and other psychological ailments because women are taught that they are not as valuable to society as men? When girls and boys, men and women are treated as equals throughout all institutions and societal systems, both can behave normally. Men won't need machismo and women won't need their psychological distortions. Then they can all be who they really are.
        • Feb 9 2012: Rhona, I understand where you are coming from, however, if we women wait to be treated fairly and equally before changing our behaviour patterns, we will wait till the end of our days. The answer is probably in awareness and education and not in feeling sorry for ourselves.
    • thumb
      Jan 29 2012: I do not know your reality, but you are sadly mistaken. There is a saying, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." ~ William Congreve, 1697. He wrote that for a reason. I was not kidding when I said that women are viscous.
      • Jan 29 2012: Linda, I can only assume that you are describing yourself. You insult women. Have you considered that you may be incorrect in this negative conclusion you are trying to put forth as "fact?" My experience is differerent than yours, apparently. I have reached a different conclusion than you have.
        • thumb
          Jan 29 2012: If the truth insults you so be it. You have probably been enculturated in your belief and that is fine. But women are as violent if not more violent than men. We just apply it differently.
          There are many many examples in nature and we are a product of nature.

          In my experience, women participate in a type of violence that is not direct. They even have a term for it. It is called lateral violence or horizontal violence. This is the type of violence that is a sequela of oppressed group behavior.

          Just google the terms. You will find lots of hits. Your refusal to acknowledge this behavior perpetuates it.
      • Jan 31 2012: Linda, I can't figure out why you are so certain that what you utter is the truth and reach the conclusion that, since you do not agree with me, I must be wrong. At least you acknowledge that women are oppressed. I wonder how you would suggest ending the oppression of women. I am open to your positive suggestions. We will have more truth in communication, when males equal females. I wonder why men are so terrified of acknowledging their equality to women and living according to that truth that they surely must realize.
        • thumb
          Feb 9 2012: Data that supports my claim? That is a common method of establishing truth. I take it you did not google anything. It's ok. It would ruin your paradigm.
        • W T 100+

          • +1
          Feb 10 2012: Hi Rhona,

          Let me ask you, do you feel that the reason thousands of women are sitting in jail today is because we continue to be oppressed, and only when we are treated as equals will we stop being violent?

          I am asking, because I think there is a breakdown of communication between you and Linda, and I want to understand both of you better.

          If women's violence is a result of....."women are taught that they are not as valuable to society as men", then why are men violent?........who are they suppose to be imitating in order to be peaceful?

          Linda you are welcomed to reply as well.
    • Jan 29 2012: I think this discussion is not for this century. Women indeed are less prone to physical violence, but that doesn't mean they can't make decisions of sending troops in other countries or nuke an enemy one. I doubt Obama thrown a punch in his life but that doesn't mean he doesn't take malevolent decisions. I think that as long as we have a system based on money and competition for survival, scarcity and crime will always exist.
    • thumb
      Feb 9 2012: "Violence is not the way of women." ? You must be joking!
      Way of woman is subtle violence. Always has been, always will be.
      Killing me softly...........
    • thumb
      Feb 10 2012: Rhona, You keep saying things like "violence is not the way of women" as if it was universally true.

      Three of the four most violent and destructive people I have ever had to deal with personally have been women.

      I think you may be exaggerating a tendency. Sure women are nurturing, but so are men. And men can be violent but so can women.

      It is predominantly men who fight in wars but that is partly because most cultures will not allow women to fight. When they are allowed to, they fight just as aggressively as men. (For example, women are now becoming suicide bombers.)

      Most domestic violence is perpetrated by men, but by no means, all of it.

      Your view seems to be overly simplistic and biased.

      This is not a "man thing." Nor is it a "woman thing." It is a "human thing."
      • Feb 11 2012: Thomas, Thank you for your thoughtful comments. If you were a woman who lived in a culture that treated women as they are treated within those cultures, ..............
        I respectfully disagree with you.
    • Feb 15 2012: i dont think thats true and im wondering what your basing that idea on? as i think you were already asked? we would expect a man to uphold his claims that all women were some way or another and i expect you to do the same. just becuase your a woman doenst mean you can go around saying things that sound nice with no evidence. andi would go further to say how dare you deny me a woman the right to be everything a man is and more! any violence man can do i can do better i can do anything better than you...no you cant... yes i can... so your really limeting women by saying we are not violent. also your overlooking the fact that men are totally repressed in our society as well... and have not had the abliity to express their true nature and therefore have had create things like the underground porn industry and prostitution to secretly fullfill needs that we should accept are part of their nature....men are as repressed for example they are not supposed to express emotion but thats fine for a woman...what does that do to our society? we have a society with as its formation many years of control over our moral relational and familial lives down to a nessesity perhaps at the time to coelesc power and the only means of doing that to exploit and control both men and women their relations their bodies etc... if you want equality you have to start thinking equally first before anything in the world can change. if you yourself have such prejudiced beliefs about men and women then how can you expect the world to be any different? think of all the men who are expected to be violent without question and put down if they are not..people whove been forced to perform violence to women and violence to others just to be accepted in society ..like soldiers who are expected to go to war and kill and not cry about it. many vets are psychologically disturbed by that and even in more subtle ways we uphold these ideas as if they were truth without question. where did these ideas come from?
      • Feb 15 2012: If men and women acknowledged their equality to each other and lived according to that truth, both would be different in ways that yield more health and happiness for both. For example, men would not need to repress their emotions, if women had 50% of the power. Maybe prostitution and pornography would disappear, when women and men are living within the truth of their equality. Maybe women and men could just be who they really are and feel no need to manipulate others to get what they need or want. I think what I think. I believe what I believe. I respect your right to think and believe differently than I do. Thank you for your expression of your true thoughts and feelings on this matter.

Showing single comment thread. View the full conversation.