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Can advertising be both a force for commerce AND a force for good?

People love to say they hate advertising – and in many ways, I think we've earned our bad reputation (which might sound strange coming from the CEO of the largest media agency in the world). Personally, I believe that advertising has a responsibility to be more informative, more relevant, and more reliable in helping people navigate the landscape of choices in their lives. At the same time, we have to honor our commitment and responsibility to our client partners to grow their businesses and build their brands. In your view, what advertisers are doing the best job of serving this dual role in a genuine way? What are some examples you've seen, both past and present, that demonstrate being a force for good as well as a force for business? What more can be done in this space?

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  • Jan 27 2012: Ideal advertising highlights products, services, or ideas that stand to make a positive difference in people's lives. If consumers see value in the offer, then presumably they adopt the product/service/idea. In this scenario both parties win: the advertiser earns the consumer's business and the consumer's life is improved in some way.

    Of course, not all - or perhaps even much - advertising is ideal. Yet it is clear that advertisers that approach this ideal do better for themselves and their customers' well-being at the same time. For example, in work we're doing at The Center For Positive Marketing at Fordham University, we've observed quite a strong correlation between brands' well-being (read: financial value) and the well-being of the people they serve. This result dovetails nicely with the Harvard Business Review piece Ms. Desmond cited in an earlier comment.

    Advertisers need to more explicitly recognize these relationships and aim for this ideal. Advertising can and should uplift businesses, consumers, and society as a whole.

    www.CenterForPositiveMarketing.org
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    Jan 27 2012: Laura,
    The ad world doesn't deserve the bad reputation, the clients also bear that responsibility! Companies with a bad product or service do want to advertise that product.

    Perhaps the responsibility of ad men is denying that advertising a product won't help.
    Example:
    In an ad agency, who would dare to turn down a client after realizing their product sucks...? "Sorry sir or M'am, but we believe you should first improve your product/service before deciding to spend a significant amount of money to advertise it". Your point of view is the same as David Ogilvy's: inform, help.

    I love marketing and communication strategy (that's my job) but I'm allergic to ads. Here is why. The century-old traditional advertising model could be compared today to "shout and sell", whereas we do have the means to "talk" with consumers when they want and eventually help them, which benefits both the consumers and the brands.

    Mass-advertising with "shout and sell" techniques still works, unfortunately. But content marketing, that is to speak about everything relevant to the product but the product itself is a great way to engage a meaningful conversation with consumers and help them make a (better) choice.

    One of the first (commercial) example is www.beinggirl.com by P&G: Help teenage girls addressing (embarrassing) questions about becoming an adult. Of course it is meant to sell, but P&G did put their products in a very discrete way. It was a great success and I believe still is.

    For above the line ads, the example of Nike is nice: translating what your company stands for into something meaningful (see Michael Porter's Thick Value theory for that matter)

    In a nutshell: Today, the ad industry has the means to "talk & serve", which eventually sells more (!) instead of shout & (trying desperately to) sell, which becomes more and more difficult (and big kudos to the creative directors who still manage to do it!)
  • Jan 27 2012: In the interests of full disclosure, I have worked in an advertising agency, and currently work in a role in my current organization where I am responsible for a lot of advertising as part of our marketing efforts.

    I am of the view that advertising is inherently "not good"-- and I am referring to advertising in its more specific meaning (the one-way market-facing communication meaning) as opposed to all forms of marketing.

    I have always felt (since I was quite young), that advertising-- were I to assign a personality to it-- is, well, kind of date-rapey. Yes, I just said that. Advertising is that guy who comes into a party, isn't really interested in you at all (he's not even listening to what you're talking about), he just wants interrupt you to talk about himself and, by the way, almost nothing he says about himself in any way squares up with your actual experience of the guy. This is the same guy who told TiVo that their "commercial skip" button shouldn't skip commercials anymore-- because people will use it to skip commercials and we don't want them to be able to skip commercials. Yes, we want to force people to have to see things they do not want to see.

    I have been looking (off and on) for a decade for a way to, literally, end advertising-- while still providing a way for people with wants and needs a way to connect with businesses ready to meet those wants and needs, but on a more equal, open and honest footing.

    I will definitely allow that some advertising is relatively better than others-- although when I see an ad that touches me emotionally, I'm pretty immediately met with the thought "They just connected with me emotionally... to get my money." I mean, commerce is what's behind it all anyway-- they're not reaching out to me just to make sure I'm doin' okay.
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    Jan 27 2012: To everyone who has taken the time to comment on this conversation - thank you! I love being part of the TED community and have sincerely enjoyed reading your comments over the past two weeks. I appreciate all of your thought-provoking responses and hope this is just the beginning of a meaningful discussion about the purpose of advertising.
  • Jan 27 2012: no no no.. sorry. advertising is bad because it is something which is not chosen it is something repetitively given to people when they are trying ot watch a movie read a book..i like national geographic i like reading articals about africa and how the people have suffered due to diamond mining.... next to this i am forced again and again to look at seiko wathces encrusted with diamonds.... if they had brought out a magazine about diamonds i would not have bought it... advertising means someone is forcing you to looka t something you would not choose to watch listening to musci you would not choose and eventually buying things you would not choose... if there is a good product a good film or a good song and someone finds it they will pass it on to their friends and with the internet things can "go viral " at an amazing speed songs are shared by people who would never have had to money to advertise produce etc their music but they are good and people like them so their music spreads. if on the other hand every shop you go to every bus you take every time you turn on i tines or the tv you are forced to listen to some pop star {and youar e of a certain age rang that is interested in the topics of said star such as sex and hot boys or whatever crap theyre singing about these days} then youw ill buy that product.. you have not looked for it you have just been mass marketed you were not shared by your peers..and this means the bio diversity of products is more to do with the powers of advertising than th eingenuity of the product or the needs of the buyer which sucks.. it has played its part in our history from violence to soporific comsumerism and that is good because before advertising the forms of control over us were far more brutal... but i think we will leave it behind very soon and allow people to choose and spread their memes products and inovations by choice rather than by imposition and i think advertising will become a crime.
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      Jan 27 2012: I wholeheartedly agree that "being a force of good" needs to be embedded in a company's culture and long term vision. The Nike Foundation is a good example. As I referenced in a previous comment, there was a great article recently in the Harvard Business Review titled "How Great Companies Think Differently". It talks about how successful companies balance short term financial goals and long term societal benefits.

      http://hbr.org/2011/11/how-great-companies-think-differently/ar/1
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    Jan 26 2012: "do great products even need advertising?" Yes, they do. Because the media is the present power of delivering an information. People use media as a source of information. In my opinion the real question is: who are these people who decide in media agencies if a product is a good one? There is, and always will be, a big issue about earning money and morality. Is there a place for a geniune way of deciding what's good what's wrong? If a media agency achives a position in consumer's market as a 'moral' one - it wins.
  • Jan 26 2012: Dear Laura,
    the topic is so interesting and I would like to have the time to read all the comments.
    I've been studying the relation between advertising and good and I discovered the power of archetypes, of jungian archetypal psychology and the methodology of archetypal branding by Pearson and Mark.

    My new book with all my reflections is going to be published in Italy on February 21th. The title is "Create! How to design a contagious communication (and make the world a better place)".

    I have also a keynote that I'm presenting in english. You can find here the slides: http://www.slideshare.net/mirkopallera/create-how-to-design-contagious-communication-cristal

    My next presentation will be at Davos (Switzerland). http://forumdavos.com/ I hope to see someone of you there.
    If you are interested in contacting me you can find me here or on Facebook: http://www.ninjamarketing.it/author/mirko-pallera/
    by the way I'm looking for publishers in different languages so if you are interested I can send you more information . very best to you
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    Jan 25 2012: Are you familiar with TED's Ad's Worth Spreading?

    http://www.ted.com/aws
  • Jan 25 2012: To each their own in terms of how they define good but I will give some more food for thought. Lets use online affiliate marketing/advertising as the example as there are many ads that have made me chuckle or provided minor entertainment but when clicked delivered a false promise. Therefore, if "good" encompasses entertainment or amusement then yes advertising can be a force for commerce and a force for good.

    Lets use a better example in beer commercials. Alcohol is a substances that is constantly abused and negatively affects the lives of hundreds of thousands of people every year but I laugh and/or smile at almost every beer commercial I see.

    The major point I'm trying to make is that advertising/marketing is to increase sales. If the product, service, or cause your advertising happens to do "good" (however you define it) then you sleep easier at night.
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    Jan 25 2012: To me, information is much more important than advertising. If there is a cure for a certain type of cancer, interrupt me and let me know. Otherwise, leave me alone and quit interrupting me. My brand loyalty is now gone...I believe if something doesn't sell itself on it's own merit, it should not be advertised.

    For advertising to be a force for good, you'd have to do it for good first, and hope people can repay you some how.

    (as I say this though, I hope my daughter has a nice career like yours!)
    Thank you for asking the question!
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    Jan 25 2012: Advertisers are geniuses at telling a story and evoking powerful emotions in 30 seconds or just a single image. That snapshot carries the magic of transporting us to another world or giving us perspective on our own, especially when humor is involved. Advertising has certainly set the standard for that type of communication.

    Yes, advertising has the power to educate, but to say that is actually does is a stretch. Education expands our thinking and our world, while the companies paying for the ads really want to narrow our focus to their product.

    For small companies, I believe advertising is essential to connect customers with real needs with service providers. Large companies generally just use it to make us feel insecure and urge us to conform. Given large corporations' intentional overreach in our lives and our government, I do what I can to stay away from their insistence that I need them.
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    Jan 25 2012: Since I don't have (or want) ANY kind of media besides the internet I would appreciate if you could give me an example of an ad which sells a product really generally needed in an informative - non dehumanizing (great choice of word) - way. I'd be happy to change my mind!
  • Jan 25 2012: Kudos for coming here to discuss this, Laura. I have long seen advertising as having enormous potential for good but the balancing act you people have to perform - as described in your OP - is a hard one and, sadly, a lot of the time we see more hard sell than the 'selling' of something good for people..

    Relevance, and help with making wise choices are absolutely the areas which need addressing, imo. May I ask how much ethical discussion goes on before it is decided to proceed with an advertising project? Or is it, as many think, really all money driven?

    We know so much more about health now, maybe a rethink of what kind of ads should take priority is needed. I believe that companies who played along with this could earn serious respect - and we have to try to get away from the 'all big corporations are bad' mindset, which is just divisive.

    Personally I would like to see the genius behind Coca Cola ads used - by that firm, even - to promote a healthy drink AS WELL. Then people would have a real choice. Ditto with other big brands selling small luxury goods. That's what we want, but there is also what our bodies need..
  • Jan 25 2012: Full credit for being open to this discussion, Laura. Late last year I co-authored a report with WWF and a former advertiser, seeking to open up a debate about the ethics of advertising, called Think Of Me As Evil? - the title was inspired by a quote from Rory Sutherland of Ogilvy, who said that he would "rather be thought of as evil than useless" in the work he does. (Report PDF: http://bit.ly/t7PDx5)

    As we review in the report, there's compelling evidence that advertising, far from simply building brands as you state, boosts overall levels of consumption. That's to say, it encourages people to spend or borrow rather than save, or even work longer hours to earn more - in order to attain the sorts of materialist lifestyles that are being advertised to us. In a world of resource limits and an increasingly unstable climate, ever-increasing levels of material consumption are unsustainable. Advertisers often say they bear no responsibility for such big problems - 'we're merely selling what a client asks them to'; 'we have to rely on govt / other businesses / the consumer to shift behaviour and drive greener investment first'. Of course, pretty much every industry and every state has raised similar objections: 'we're only 2% of global emissions', 'someone else should lead'.

    But as you say in an earlier post, advertising "...can shape public wants, desires, priorities and expectations." To that list I'd also add cultural values - an area that has seen a huge amount of social psychology research in recent decades. We argue in our report that advertising promotes materialistic values, and undermines pro-social and pro-environmental values.

    If advertising wants to be a force for good in society, it needs to start thinking very hard about its indirect impacts. It's one thing for Starcom to (commendably) pilot its own carbon footprinting tool to measure the direct CO2 from crafting an ad campaign; but what about the additional CO2 caused by that ad boosting consumption?
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  • Jan 25 2012: I would like to comment on what I see as the difference between "advertising" and "marketing", as well as the difference between "customers" and "consumers".

    In my view, advertising is when a company puts out information into the public domain about its products or services, so that if someone out there has need of that product they know where to acquire it; i.e.. to whom they can give their custom. However, I believe that this quaint notion has been slowly but inexorably overturned to be replaced by the new wave of "marketing", whose aim is to put messages into the public domain that try to convince us that we have a NEED for a company's product. Sometimes such messages will even go as far as to imply that our self esteem or social status depends critically on having this product, and sometimes even that it must be THIS YEAR'S model of the product! The aim of these messages, of course, is merely to encourage consumption; the products no longer to exist to serve the customer, but the consumer exists to serve the product producer - by endless consumption.

    Not only is this situation not good for the environment - from the depletion of raw materials to produce products that are either entirely unnecessary or designed to be shortly thrown away and replaced - but it's not good for us either because, if we are susceptible to these marketing messages, we are pressured into a constant state of feeling incomplete.

    I believe marketing consultants have a responsibility to redress this situation, and to use their own skills of persuasion back on their own clients - i.e. the product producers - to create a market reality where there is a healthier, more genuine, and more sustainable balance between what is being produced and what we really need in daily life. Let's start by remembering that our role in life is NOT just to consume!
  • Jan 25 2012: i gotta rant one more time -- the fast food industry is at fault for taking cheap sugar cause we elected morons who created a corn surplus and then had to hide that in the belly fat of the people who voted for the morons and we still won't vote out the morons and they won't change it cause iowa makes the king? You should all be more concerned with the new german state while europe crumbles: efficient, state/corp partnership, will own the eu and will be pissed when they don't get paid back. The only question when the tanks start rolling is will we stop them again or is our state/corp partnerships so strong we will just put up red light cameras and send them fines. laura stop that red light scam, when the hell did we become sources of profit, not citizens who paid for the politicians third wife's pension. That may be a bt product of advertising, maybe...yes laura, stop that one scam and the morass below will anoint you their leader. then run.
  • Jan 25 2012: hold back the anger at the poor woman for asking an honest question and maybe give her some credit cause she may be trying to figure out how to do make ads better. couldn't even get thru half the nonsensical responses. dove soap didn't clean those birds so bad example. good example: sistine chapel. or the drawings of a starving tribal leader reminding his folks that they can go hunt, like you all should give this woman respect. That ads cause such quick and obvious phony anger is the signal of what is coming. Total penetration of every inch of everything and the weak minded will point that out as bad while they complain about the push notification of a half of sub as they are walking in to redeem the offer.

    We’ve created a platform (a passive social credit awards service...In other words, SMRC passively observes, generates and manages real value (credit) for EVERY Tweet, blog post, SMS, shared video-bookmark-link, comment, etc., that funds the most socially worthy charities (i.e. efficient, right-focus) in your name (or trade the credit points), while never exposing the identity of any member - GUARANTEED.

    what the f$%ck is this? passive charities? worse than religious wars -- we need carlin, or maybe we can let this woman try to make a sistine chapel. just for the keeping artists employed advertising is one of the most important industries out there, hell without it vonnegut would have been a dentist. godamn i just read someone said advertising is immoral? where the hell am i? the declaration of indy was a goddamn ad. so is the bible. only kings can make the distinction between art and commerce and their ad was the divine right of themselves. informative ads are impossible because of the audience, not the ads. if these are the responses here of all places? -- Laura, just rook em into buying something they don't need. they deserve it. and make sure it is crap so they can see everyday the broken down pieces of thees broke ass ideas
  • Jan 25 2012: How about we look at this from a little bit of a different angle? In addition to advertisements being a force to drive good will and charity, what if the market research itself could help promote positive social change? In today's world, social media is as big of a boom as television and radio was 40 years ago. Social media provides an avenue for any topic to be discussed, but at the same time it provides us with a chance to assign value and record the social-emotional sphere of this generation. Never in the past have we had an opportunities like we do today, and they are vastly untapped. If we could tap this resource, wouldn't the possibilities for good be endless?
    I am aware of a company, a start up, that looks to harness the value of the topics that people are passionate about, and assign a legitimate, monetary value to said topics, and donate that to charity. This works by having people, like yourselves, volunteer your social media accounts to be passively observed by the service, and for every bit of feedback you produce on anything, it donates 80% of the market worth to 5 charities that you have hand picked, IN YOUR NAME, allowing you to change the world in the way that you see fit. On top of the donation, the user also receives equal donation credits, exchangeable with for profits, additional tax credits, and/or rewards. On average, according to this system, people generate about $0.60/day to their charities, which is 219 dollars per year, so if 1 million people signed up, it would generate 219 million dollars a year towards human advancement.
    With this, no longer would people see advertisements as a nuisance, but they would see them as an opportunity, wouldn't you say? Also, since cause marketing has a 2010 Cone Cause Evolution Study bench marked increase in sales, we can create a society that not only prospers charitably but fiscally. The name of the company is Social Market Research for Charity. http://sites.google.com/site/socialmarketresearchforcharity/
  • Jan 25 2012: Furthermore, we will be nothing like the famous football player used in the ad.
  • Jan 25 2012: Ok so for example, the new Acura ads show a man in football gear being stripped and then redressed in a fancy suit (essentially being "upgraded") while a deep voice says "it works for people, why not cars?" and the man is then replaced by the new Acura, conveying the idea that we can be "upgraded" by the new Acura. The truth is, we will not be upgraded by the new Acura, but rather we will be significantly poorer financially and arguably spiritually poorer as well for believing that a car would upgrade us in the first place.
  • Jan 25 2012: Modern western advertising is based on the lie that we are not presently as happy as we could be if we bought your product, and that we need it to be better people. So to answer the questio, no advertising cannot be both a force for commerce and a force for good. And to the person who started this debate, as an educated person how can you seriously think that it could be?
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    Jan 25 2012: Last year I went to Havana for the first time. I walked the city for 6 days, every day 6-8 hours. I never got tired. I wondered why...when I realized - there are NO ADS! Never before I had walked around in a capital, a major city in an ongoing state of PEACE OF MIND.
    So really: Product information IS very important! But not to be found in ads which are paid for by the producer. Not in this (capitalistic, based on consume) system. There is no way to satisfy the producer as much as the consumer. One side is bound to "loose" and it will always be the consumer being told what he needs.
    Advertisement is based on building up needs. No needs - no consume - no system as we know it. Without being told all day by ads what we need combined with the end of artificially raising fear we'd quickly realize how little it is we really require to lead a satisfied and rather happy life.
    This can not be done by ...what..."green ads"? True information has to be disconnected from any monetary interests.
    • Jan 25 2012: Advertisements themselves have not been at fault for dehumanizing advertising campaigns that have been at fault but for the corporations themselves to air these advertisement to represent their companies.Corporate social responsibility is a growing trend and is a source of strength for many of them. Supporting companies that air commercials that are socially responsible is our best way to show companies that this is the way to compete in a world where we have values.
  • Jan 25 2012: I think that advertising has a lot of potential to do a lot of good. Speaking as a young woman who has come of age in the digital age, advertisements have always been present in my life, so I feel like perhaps my generation doesn't notice them as much as older people may. I have also seen many of my girlfriends feel that they are inferior due to the beautiful women they see in advertisements who don't look anything like them, and I think that this is a good example of where advertising can do good. If we can put more ads out there with more realistic looking women, like the Dove "Real Beauty" campaign, it can help more women and girls feel better about themselves, I believe.

    Obviously, advertising is a business that is almost completely centered around the client's needs and wants, so if the client is paying to use an image of a woman that has been photoshopped down to nothing, then that's what they're going to get. I think that advertisers could take the initiative to suggest using more realistic images and back it up by showing how women may respond more positively to such images. But, as others have said, part of the responsibility lies with the companies themselves to do things like using more diverse people in their advertisements or to create products that are more environmentally friendly.

    Also, like others have said, if a product is bad, it will not sell, and it is also illegal to be disingenuous in advertisements. While not everyone will follow these laws, if you see a company doing so, you can report it to the Better Business Bureau or, as someone else said, find their social media pages and voice your opinion. Most companies these days will do whatever they can to correct mistakes in order to save face. Finally, while I agree that advertisements can be disruptive when watching TV or watching videos on the internet, without them, the programming wouldn't cost as little as it does or be free (i.e. Youtube). Same thing goes with radio.
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    Jan 25 2012: Conflict of interest is a big deal and affects everyone. I am sure you have good intentions and truly want the best for people. I am also certain that you are incapable of objectively judging the pros and cons of advertising, given your source of income.

    Advertising that is truly respectful should give viewers full control to avoid the ad if they prefer, should reveal conflicts of interest explicitly, and not include any information or images that are completely unrelated to the idea or item being advertised.

    For example, I would like to see a world in which the only ads that have music are ads for music or very closely related things. A food ad that includes music is inherently about eliciting emotions to bias the viewer. I know that a decent amount of clever music has been composed for ads, but still (and I'm a musician even)... But this is the ideal, and reality isn't going to get to this. The more we stop explicit ads, the more they'll just be interwoven in product placement and such... But that's why we need explicit markers of conflict of interest. I'd like to see a little symbol over the screen in every movie or TV show or internet video that reveals when the use of a product or idea was a paid placement.

    As to being informative, that's fine if it really only goes as far as informing people. I generally hate ads, but I have actually appreciated learning about certain products when the ad is literally a focused description of a great product.
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    Jan 25 2012: No.

    I think the only ads I can think of that have been a "force for the good" have been anti-ads. In other words, ads designed to counter the effects of other ads, which seem like a giant waste of cash. If only the original ads had been held to some sort of standard, they wouldn't have run.

    All I know is that now I want a house hippo.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLG2JP0P5JE