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James Kindler

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How do we get corporations out of government.

Large corperations run our government, thay donate huge amounts of money for which they are rewarded. The government no longer represents the people but rather the corporations. We are supposed to be a representitive republic but our needs are not being represented, the corporations are. This is why I'm in the occupy movement, to try and return to our constitution and excercise my rights. We want the government to represent us and not the corporations, they are not people. Everyone thinks we are there to get money from the 1%, while this may be true for many what I have just written is true for me and most in the movement.

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  • Jan 20 2012: @Joanne Donovan, I just looked up "homestead principle" because I had no idea what it meant. This should give you a good idea of how new I am to openly discussing, in a public forum, or even reading other people's ideas on this subject most dear to my heart. My motive for engaging in this forum (and others on the net) now, is that for the first time in my life, thanks to the confluence of many factors, I feel like I can participate in a much bigger way towards making the world a more loving, and especially, less hostile place.

    After reviewing a few definitions of the "homestead principle," abridged here: "…one can gain ownership of a natural thing that currently has no owner by putting it to use or building something out of it." I can tell you without hesitation, I don't agree with the principle. There are so many ways that this concept fails my internal test of what seems right. I guess I can cross libertarian off of my list of possible, personal philosophies. I have always had a problem with the idea of land ownership. How can anyone claim they OWN a piece of land when the land they claim to own was likely originally obtained through murder or hostile expulsion, as is the case with many colonial nations, including the United States. Even the concept that anyone ever owned the land to begin with. I kind of thought that my sentiment on this issue would be easily gleaned from my description accompanying the idea for a global constitution http://tinyurl.com/7dnjmvy

    Joanne, I think I have now made it unequivocal how I feel about property. I'm not sure what reference to the 'wild west' you're referring to. I don't remember writing those words anywhere here other than my last sentence. I would appreciate your apology but what I would appreciate more is a suggestion from you on how I can share my ideas better while avoiding provoking hostility out of anyone else like you in the future. Thank you in advance.

    @Justen Robertson, thank you.
    @Anthony Bingham, thank yo
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      Jan 21 2012: Well my dear you have my apology, unreservedly and I would like to hear more about your ideas.

      I hope you continue to participate in these discussions. They can get heated, people feel passionately about certain things, especially around human rights issues, as you yourself clearly do. Personally I feel this is a positive thing Don. An idea can be a very powerful and dangerous thing.

      We have plenty of examples of how ideas have risen to form laws and policies that have caused untold suffering. I see that in history all dangerous movements began as ideas, they began in a discussion. I do not think we should flinch from struggling against ideas we percieve as wrong.

      I come on TED to exchange ideas but also to learn. To challenge but also to be challenged. Its a wonderful forum. I have never felt hostility from anyone although I have been in some fairly intense debates. If you do feel, though that some one is being less than nice, and it is encroaching on your right to discuss your ideas freely, there is the little flag button on the right hand side of the comment section. The moderator will look at the comments and remove them if he/she thinks the comment is too over the top.
      • Jan 21 2012: Joanne, thank you for the truly unnecessary apology! I never took personally your apparent hostility. My reference to appreciating an apology from you was based on a comment you had made about if you found out that your presumption about me was wrong, you would apologize. I should have said it was unnecessary, but again, thank you.

        I will continue to share. I'm happy to have the opportunity. I am a big believer in the power of ideas. In fact, I arrived at the understanding that it is the most accessible power on Earth a little while back. My formula for expressing human potential is: Ideas x personal commitment = impact.

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