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James Kindler

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How do we get corporations out of government.

Large corperations run our government, thay donate huge amounts of money for which they are rewarded. The government no longer represents the people but rather the corporations. We are supposed to be a representitive republic but our needs are not being represented, the corporations are. This is why I'm in the occupy movement, to try and return to our constitution and excercise my rights. We want the government to represent us and not the corporations, they are not people. Everyone thinks we are there to get money from the 1%, while this may be true for many what I have just written is true for me and most in the movement.

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    Jan 11 2012: i'd rather see the government out of corporations.
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      • Jan 11 2012: That's my point, the country is run by corporations.
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        Jan 11 2012: corporations can't run anything unless they have access to the power of the rulers. tell me how could mcdonalds force you to do anything. you know, deputy inspector bologna does not work for walmart. guess who he is working for.
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          Jan 13 2012: How does mcdonalds force you to do anything? They lobby to have money printed for them at the fed, and make the largest purchase of chicken, beef, and potatoes, in the world, it is thus cheaper to buy french fries prepared and served to you at McDonalds, cheaper, than frying potatoes at home with your family.

          Local burger places can't print money for their 2 shop store in Tuscaloosa, so they get defeated in competition by McDonalds... How? Wages. Poor people, are almost forced to eat, Kraft Macaroni and Cheese, Top Ramen, and 99 cent sandwiches because they have the most calories per cent. This is actually a false choice, when you factor in health issues, and transportation costs, but the consumer sees this as a "wash" a break even proposition, trading the gas and long term health of his family, for service with a smile... Service, that can't afford to shop at any corporation but Kraft, Mcdonalds, etc.

          Does this lower food prices and increase innovation in large scale production? Yes, and the government should grant some incentives for new technology and development in the field, if they are going to subsidize at all that is... but the cost, is that poor people are not just less healthy, but they are less "proud" of their jobs, because they don't work for a local burger stand, where they know the owner, and he'll spot him a loan on a bad day... They work for McDonalds, and it has a stack of applications, and no one expects you to stick around.

          This is all created by corporate influence over government, in terms of printed wealth distribution. So how do we fix this problem? The capitalist solution, the people take the hit... We eat and shop locally, and support all the people in our town that we can, and to do so, we cut back on our consumption, because prices go up.

          Most government solutions, would just make things worse, because the government always works seemlessly with corporation, but has little, if no connection to the local business community.
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          Jan 15 2012: At David, brilliant post. I wish I had written it....until...'Most government solutions, would just make things worse, because the government always works seemlessly with corporation,'.

          Why do you think this is a given? Because it is so in the U.S. does not mean it is so in other places. You cannot even find McDees in Germany (hardly). The people don't want it for the kinds of reasons you have outlined so eloquently. They asked their govt through proportionally representative democracy, to protect them from it and organisations like it.

          Imagine that? Fast food that is both cheap and good for you, hand made in a family enterprise that employs responsibly. That is what people in some countries enjoy.
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          Jan 21 2012: Adding the plea of David for local action I can you give an example from Germany where a local city focused occupy-movement changed a large-scale building project within the town, so called "Stuttgart21". It would have been good for government and corporations, not for the people living in it.

          Also there is a large debate about crowd-sourced political pressure - outside the party system: major german philosophers make it a public policy debate - here a video with Peter Sloterdijk (english subtitles): http://bit.ly/u4VFOk
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        Jan 12 2012: pierre,

        "But how much power must be given to them?"

        no power at all, except over their own property.

        "Plus, if the government doesn't take care of functions such as social services [...] I don't think the corps would"

        but people would. corporations provide everything that people want. if people want to take care of the needy, the market finds a solution. like the red cross. like churches. like kiva. like acumen fund. the list is endless.
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          Jan 15 2012: I finally found something I like in your social system; ''(governments would have)...no power at all, except over their own property'

          So if it therefore follows that property belongs to he/she who combines it with their physical labour, then I assume you would be a staunch supporter of indigenous peoples' land claims?
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        Jan 14 2012: pierre, never ever a monopoly emerged on the free market. monopolies are created by governments.
    • Jan 11 2012: I would also like to see the government out of corporations, they should be seperate.
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        Jan 14 2012: A democratic government creates and enforces the laws that (supposedly) we agree to live by. Are you saying that corporations should have no rules and regulations? They are entitled to pollute, have slave labor, not pay any taxes, cheat their customers, become monopolies and squash any competition, etc.?
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          Jan 15 2012: it is never like either the government does, or nobody. many functions of the modern government are new. hundred years ago, governments didn't do these things at all. the greatest progress in the western world happened during the industrial revolution. and governments barely did anything back then, compared to what we have today.

          we don't want to give up the control over corporations. we just question whether they are best suited to deliver results. the fact is, the government trashes everything it touches.
      • Jan 24 2012: An aristocratic form of government that was designed around an agricultural based economy and serfdom proved ineffective in dealing with Industrialization. Consequently the London smog, the diseases, the workhouses and child labor. Public outrage led to new forms of government that eventually corrected the major imbalances. In a post industrial age it is not the serf but rather the worker that has been displaced. Governments designed around industrial strategies find themselves inept at dealing with the current economic situation. The knowledge and technological advances are benefiting a few while most suffer. We can only hope that the current public outrage results in new forms of government capable of righting the imbalances once again.

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