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How do we get corporations out of government.

Large corperations run our government, thay donate huge amounts of money for which they are rewarded. The government no longer represents the people but rather the corporations. We are supposed to be a representitive republic but our needs are not being represented, the corporations are. This is why I'm in the occupy movement, to try and return to our constitution and excercise my rights. We want the government to represent us and not the corporations, they are not people. Everyone thinks we are there to get money from the 1%, while this may be true for many what I have just written is true for me and most in the movement.

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    Jan 13 2012: Divide and conquer is the way to get power, once you have the power then you will also have the money. How?
    Buy the media and only allow people to see and hear what you want for them to see and hear; a lesson learned from the Viet Nam war when coverage of a little girl, running naked down a lane covered in napalm hit the hearts of those taxpayers who were footing the bill for the war, or coverage of the police shooting down college kids at Kent State who were peaceably protesting that war. Use the media to lure the gullible into believing that "those people" (peacemakers, minorities, tree huggers, liberals, unions, Democrats, liberal elites, et al) are responsible for any and all problems; which effectively divides the populace and at the same time garners votes for the candidates that you want in power. Once you have that "tri-fecta" (House, Senate and Whitehouse) hold 3am votes to push through every law that will benefit your 1% group. Create a trillion dollar war, based on lies, to fund your group, and appoint Supreme Court Judges who will make laws that will give you even more power (Citizen's United). Continue using the media to "wag the dog" away from the truth; constantly laying blame for the havoc that you caused on "those people", so that the pendulum will not swing back and take the power and money, that you have stolen, away .
    • Jan 13 2012: To all of those who are religious, let me first apologize.

      I will say it until I am blue in the face... MONEY IS NOT REAL. It is Christianity, Islam, Buddhism. Hell, call it Scientology if you want to, as long as you realize that IT"S NOT REAL. It's a value system, and a corrupt one at that. And just as the basic fundamental foundations of all the religions I just mentioned are all rooted in the idea peace, all money is rooted in the idea of a fair and free market system. Well, the idea of peace has not been an impediment on religious wars, and a free market system has not turned out to be fair at all.

      I feel like we are all drowning in a foot of water, and instead of just lifting our heads to take a breath, we're all fumbling around underwater looking for a mask, or our snorkel gear. Let's just lift our heads and breathe you guys.

      WE ALL know what to do. We know it like we know how to blink our eyes. Corporations, money, religion... They're all just tools we're fumbling around with...
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        Jan 15 2012: I love this 'we are all drowning in a foot of water'. I think I am going to get a t shirt printed. Is that yours? Its good.

        Re 'money is not real', I am afraid like anyone else, I suffer from something like 'phantom limb syndrome' when it comes to money. It may not be real, but it still has the power to hurt like hell.
        • Jan 15 2012: Lol, Thanks Joanne! I've never heard anyone say the drowning thing before, but I take no credit for it...
          I must confess though, your comments on this conversation sparked my interest so I read your profile. Needless to say It's so awesome to find so many like-minded people here on TED, most of whom are so open and respectful of new ideas and opinions. It's a truly humbling experience to be amongst some of the marvelous minds of our time, and right here in the comfort of my living room no less.
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        Jan 15 2012: I get what your saying Anthony and your right, money is just a concept, a idea, a social construct and yet it is perhaps the one of the most powerful things in existence. It has the power to create a sense of bliss as well as the power to create misery around the world it is a shame the the world revolves around something so grotesque.
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        Jan 15 2012: Well you are too kind Anthony, and I feel the same way. Actually my beloved partner, is a bit of a TED widower at the moment....and my garden needs weeding.
    • Jan 13 2012: Lol. Sorry Deb. I meant to respond to your last post, then just started to rant.... Good sentiment though!
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        Jan 14 2012: Hi Anthony,

        Not sure how religion gets convoluted every time. I am a Christian, one of the Prince of Peace ones who believes in "turn the other cheek, do unto others, not judging, etc." If all Christians went back to wearing the WWJD bracelets (what would Jesus do?) to guide them then we wouldn't have wars for money and power or taking from the poor to give to the rich.

        "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
        Mohandas Gandhi Well, believe it or not some of us are still trying to live the way that Jesus teaches us to even though the far right gives Christianity a bad name and tends to get the most air time.

        The second Commandment states not to take the Lord's name in vain; I cringe every time a politician claims to be a follower of God or Jesus to get votes. It seems the louder they profess their faith, the further from the doctrines of that faith they are.

        Free markets need regulated, Church and state need separated, you are totally right that money is just a value system.

        Thanks for the thoughts:-)

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