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Religion or science?

Fairly enough this has been debated so manny times but i feel the need to bring this back up for a reason. I love logic and reasoning but both science and religion meet their end at obious points. To me religion is just a stroy to guide people in the right direction as science tries to find answers. Now im going to give credit to science and then a brief idea. Science maps out our existance Heres how. Dose it really make sence some one superior and all powerful created every single species in this world and the universe? That he created every species the way they are and they have not changed? I mean Religion dosent meet its solid facts at any point, If you think evolution is dumb and that thres no way it could of happened then your telling me all the spicies stayed the same for the past million years? Now for the idea what if god did create every thing and it evolutionized over time........ Dose this make more sence? i belive so but science has the upper hand. If you think im wrong or exagerationg post on comments about why with solid proof.

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    Jan 2 2012: And to me, both religion and Science are the creations of people minds.
    religion is created by the unconscious mind and have been throw to the conscious mind to make it calmer a little: 'calm down, my friend, conscious mind, you worry about the lightning? You have no idea what's that?! There's a god of lightning above it, actually, so calm down a little! ...After the ages... Now, you know the truth about the lightning... But you are still anxious, fellow. The sense of a life? The start of the universe? Sweetie, GOD.'
    Science, to my view, is a result more of conscious mind, but not so necessarily: one dreams about a table, the other gets formula dictated by god...
    Nathan, to you, god has started the universe, but how god has started? Of course, without any doubt it's eternal, Julija, how don't you know this?! But it does not satisfy the logic you give to the universe. But god is not about the logic, Julija, you are bad pupil!
    Your theory described actually is one of two. Give a link, to an article, please, where scientists claim it will be like this.
    (I'm happy there is not thumb down...)
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      Jan 2 2012: Julija, I'm happy there is not thumb down also...lol :)

      By the way I liked some of your points...well expressed
    • Jan 3 2012: Well I also liked your reply thank you I wanted to see peoples ideas of this and I honestly don't go all for science both play big roles in peoples life
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        Jan 3 2012: Billions of people are believers, of course, they both play big roles. My answer just revealed my perception especially of one.
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      Jan 9 2012: Agree, some people think the universe couldn't just start naturally, so imagine a creator that just happens not to be created itself, is not matter or energy, is outside space and time, but can create matter and energy. Wow. And they can't see the irony.

      Then there is this spiritual realm, also outside of matter and energy. In fact there is more to us than our brains, bodies. We are somehow completely different to other animals even mammals, even chimps who use tools, feel loss etc. Not just more intelligent with more sophisticated brains. We also have an invisible undetectable immortal spirit. Not sure what these spirits are doing before we are born, but they apparently live on after we die.
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        Jan 9 2012: APPARENTLY?! Do I not know something?
        The idea of immortal spirit is absolutely attractive, calming and desired. I would probably love spirit to exist, firstly, and then be immortal. But to me it's clearly not apparent.
        I'd read once about a hypnotist who had hypnotized one person and he told about his past life and what it was like after his death, he told he was 'floating' in clear endless space, something like this, I do not remember it clearly. That hypnotist was awarded somehow by someone, I don't remember. Probably that's way way way too vague, but, you know, that may give some nice hope or something like that. Maybe I'll try to find about this some more information.
        I don't believe in any invisible undetectable things, if 'something more' exists, science sooner or later will detect and explain it; but probably it tends to be 'later'.
        The idea, again, is just fantastic and it gives so much relief and so on, but there's APPARENTLY a big question mark.
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          Jan 10 2012: Don't worry, your not missing out on anything.

          While I don't think we have immortal spirits (I think when we die and our brain stops, our consciousness dies same as for a dog or ant) but also wonder if it would be a good thing or not.

          Would the afterlife be like life with a mix or joy and pain?

          Certainly would like to live longer with a heath body and mind, if not destitute or enslaved etc.
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          Jan 20 2012: Hi Julija

          " if 'something more' exists, science sooner or later will detect and explain it; but probably it tends to be 'later'."

          Mainstream science at the moment is totally materialistic. If there is an 'afterlife' then mainstream science is very unlikely to 'discover' it. You probably better to look elsewhere.

          ;-)
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        Jan 10 2012: Sorry, you were not talking about what you think, you where talking about some believers; I confused this.
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      Jan 10 2012: Love it! LOL

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