- Siddharth Chowdhury
- West Lafayette Bra, IN
- United States
College student, Virtual Star Ambassador - Purdue University
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WIll building smart self-aware robots endanger our existence in the future?
All technology is progressing, researchers are uilding smarter and more self-aware robots. If we keep developing Artificial Intelligence, one day the robots might become 100% self-aware and them realise that they are better than us in everyway - infinite knowledge, stamina, life, etc. Will this mean the end for us? To put this in an interesting way, what i wonder is the "Terminator" movie will come true??
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Steve C
I think that self-aware robots will not choose to endanger us. (And really, could they do much worse than we are?) My worry is semi-aware robots controlled by the Axis - or even by the Allies. (Yes, I too am a little disturbed that IBM's "Watson" avatar looks to me to be giving a Hitler salute.)
Stephen Cordova
I just dont understand the facination with AI.
julius sephiroth
David Hamilton 50+
I'm actually less worried about self aware robots killing us all, than I am that they're going to make us all really boring, and sad...
Siddharth Chowdhury
And since we a useless they might just rule us. Thats as bad as them killing us dude.
David Hamilton 50+
Siddharth Chowdhury
Clinton Wetherill
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I'm all for robotics, and their advancements, I'm just afraid of the day that someone stops programming them to be helpful..
julius sephiroth
Siddharth Chowdhury
Frans Kellner 100+
Critical thinker and Proud :P
Before the electronic revolution, Who imagined that a box (computer) may be able to ruin people's lives by various ways. No one expected that computers may have viruses. (how can viruses infect these boxes?...huh).
I guess the same thing will happen with robots. We will be safe until some people program them to harm the world. (e.g a terrorist robot :P)
Siddharth Chowdhury
Critical thinker and Proud :P
unless someone opens the door for them :P
Gerald O'brian 50+
Critical thinker and Proud :P
Gerald O'brian 50+
For all we know, we are ourselves intelligent machines.
Belief in a mystical barrier is belief in magic. I don't know if we'll achieve this. But I know it is not impossible in principle.
As for the dangers of intelligent robots, if we ever get there, I don't know. I think philosophy of the next century will have the toughest problems to solve. The line between organic life and non organic life, natural and artificial intelligence will be crossed and things will get quite chaotic. What is a subjective feeling? And is it ethical to build a machine with feelings?
That the earth is not the center of the world was shoking.
That humans are animals, and share 98% genes with chimps was shoking.
That all living organisms are biochemical niches for organic replicators was shoking.
But now... what the hell does anthropocentrism have left if our creative minds become commonplace technology ? Unless you believe in souls and spirits, whatever you think as being typically human will eventually be artificially designed, if we continue making progress. There will be no such thing as a "real person".
Frans Kellner 100+
Frans Kellner 100+
A belief system is to me when someone follows its reasoning derived from the limited sensory information to comprehend what lays beyond the sight of mind.
As I tried to explain in another conversation to you: anything can only be understood for what it is within and in relation to the whole of which it partakes. The desire to live, and with it most of our feelings and motivations, originate from that whole of which we are a momentary expression in the chain of generations. Unless one separates him/herself from it and get depressed, then he/she gets sick and eventually dies.
The genome is the blueprint not the animator.
Gerald O'brian 50+
Derived from the sensory information??? How does this happen? Give me an example!
Frans Kellner 100+
To know reality we have to resort to our feelings.
Gerald O'brian 50+
Frans Kellner 100+
For sight you can start with Euglenia which is a plant like one cellular animal. A little spot on the membrane had become light sensitive so it can work its way in the direction of light. Necessary because it gets its energy from photo synthesis. This ability is upgraded thousands of times to develop our eyes and the cause ever was to distinguish something that favored survival.
Feeling however is something totally different and I don’t mean sensory feeling but input that has a light pressure on our awareness apart from the senses. It is like un thought thoughts that we can decipher if we learn to listen to it. It mostly is blanked out by the strong energy input all senses bear on our awareness but I remember now: you’ve heard these things from your friends and you don’t believe them.
Gerald O'brian 50+
Quote "It is like un thought thoughts that we can decipher if we learn to listen to it. It mostly is blanked out by the strong energy input all senses bear on our awareness"
Five dollars to whom understands this.
Siddharth Chowdhury
Siddharth Chowdhury
Frans Kellner 100+
If that is known you know at the same time that to be self-aware you first have to be aware. To be aware is as something that from one point in spacetime pictures the surrounding field in a way that it can derive meaning from it that in turn serves its desire for continuing its awareness. Motivation and will comes first, the desire for life, for the joy and beauty it gives.
That is the mechanical part that we see on the outside, the real base for all this is consciousness which is the base from which we can picture anything and become aware of it. Consciousness is non material, non local. It is the center and origin of everything in existence and therefore capable of seeing via all kind of senses life has developed. The thing we see is as much in that consciousness as the one that sees. That's the difference between life and death and robots are not alive and not dead, they are thing we play with. You could see robots as an image like an mp3 is a digital image of a song the robot is an image of human activities. Images are copies of the real thing. Maybe they can do things faster but they serve our motivation. Just like a telescope is an extension to our eyes the robot can become an extension to our activities.
Scientist are on the brink to synthesize a cell as a simple copy of a living cell. Will it start to live? I don't think so. And any robot with a thousand fold of all mental and physical powers of any human being has no clue what it wants unless we program it to do what we like.
From the illusion we live in we can't make something real.
Gerald O'brian 50+
I say that our so-called "desire" to live, our programm telling us what to look for, what to like, what to do, etc... come from our GENES.
You said, and state the same thing here, that there is more to living organisms than chemical reactions. You think there is something more to life than reproduction of genes. This is what you haven't explained.
Will to live is an emergeant phenomenum, resulting of genes carelessly being either copied or not. There is no desire at the core of chemistry. Or if you say there is, if for instance you say that an oxygen atom desires two hydrogen atoms, then why can't robots, made of atoms, share this DESIRE?
An ipod would seem more than mechanical to anyone living in the middle ages. It would bare no ressemblance to the technology of the time, so it would be thought to be obeying different laws of physics... it would be magic.
I feel like you're puzzled by the complexity of biological machines, and since they bare no ressemblance to your car or TV set, you're jumping to the conclusion that magic is involved, or "soul", or whatever.
I don't think you're being open-minded about the possibility that there is nothing quite special about life. I don't see any reason for doing so, except for accomodating a pre-existing belief system... which is an unreasonable reason.
Siddharth Chowdhury
I think that nobody can ever know SELF-AWARENESS. What is actually there is not knowable and what we know is just sensory information processed by the MIND. We don’t live in an illusion, we are illusions controlled by what has been put in the memory cells of the brain from millennia. The human brain is not personal it has evolved through time. Whenever self-organization happens consciousness moves in!!
Robots are becoming more and more organized! The programs that run it may someday become smart enough to evolve the software on its own. It then becomes independent of human intellect. Finally I believe that you can never saw whether you are alive or dead, you could be dead and conscious or alive and unconscious for e.g. how can YOU guarantee that you’re alive when you’re in deep sleep? However once you are awake the space and time around you appear simultaneously. So do you give birth to space and time?
This feeling can happen in a robot if the capacities of the human brain are reverse engineered and given to it. Robots thus may not need a soul to be alive just an exact replica of a human brain. Man’s brain is a biological computer. Robot’s intelligence is mechanical and evolving at a rapid pace. What if it finds our intelligence primitive? To take-over the world, all it will need is a BRAIN. To be called alive you need to procreate and survive which the computer will do in the future i.e. create its own kind and multiply?
Frans Kellner 100+
A lot of what you say make sense to me but two comments.
When will robots start to feel and have our brains have to do anything with living itself?
As you maybe know most animals haven't hardly brains at all and are functional living beings as well as we are.
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/daniel_wolpert_the_real_reason_for_brains.html
Siddharth Chowdhury
Also, thats true...brains were originally present for movement, etc., but over the past millenia it has evoled and taken over completely. Thus, now the brain tells us what to do and who we are, even though we are much more.