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Will there ever be singularity?

Can we ever artificially create an intelligence that will surpass the human intelligence?

  • Dec 9 2011: Since I do not belive that we have even remotely reached the full potential of our mind, I would have to say no.
    The AI that beat the best chess player, one could say tha the person who created it was smarter than that, and will that always be the case, until AI creates an artificial human.
    And I do not think that a chess program can be remotely considered AI, its a program, if it were AI it wouldnt play chess, but ask 'Why play chess?'.
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      Dec 9 2011: Sorry Aindreas,
      But the programmer can’t beat his own program, so how is he smarter at chess?
      Why is it necessary to create an artificial human to make someone smarter?
      Let’s say that the computer simulates a working brain, just much faster and with more information and more “neurons” wouldn’t that be smarter than a human?
      Agree, chess is a sort of AI with a limited purpose.


      • Dec 9 2011: I have to disagree. A chess game is so far away from AI that it will not be this century that we will achieve this goal. We may get close, but you can get pretty close to light speed without ever reaching it.
        AI needs to learn by itself. It should lose the first few games and learn from its mistakes. That is AI. That is intelligence. We have not proven that that could be achieved. We dont know how our own minds do it, so how synthesise it. Otherwise you have a massive calculator thats only good at playing chess.
        I mean when we are born we know to beathe, then we learn to move etc. A chess computer is preprogrammed its 'intellgence' by a human, and it doesnt learn more after that. Intelligence isnt the speed at which it regurgitates information, its the speed at which it learns new informaion.

        I do wish there was more to go on than chess though, as you said, it is fairly limited :)
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    Dec 16 2011: there was one already..
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    Dec 11 2011: If we were to create an AI that seems to be more intelligent that human being, that would only mean that AI is only creating illusion of higher level of intelligence. Moreover, who gets the credit for creating that supreme AI? Surely people who made it. So if we one day create such an AI, it would be that we sowed off the power of human intelligence, so human intelligence would still be higher next to that AI.
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    Dec 9 2011: Hi Pankaj,

    There is also the option of us merging with our technology, so this intelligence you refer to could be organic (even if not natural or “human” is some senses of the word)
    I think that is a nicer scenario.

    I think we will create a “higher intelligence” of some sort if our species and culture survive long enough.


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    Dec 9 2011: Pankaj, Kurzweil has had a lot to say on this. (Check out the documentary Trancendent Man.)

    There is much discussion about the singularity. But ideologically, what is it?

    The singularity has been defined as when we will depend on technology to keep up with the pace of technology's growth. Which, if you look at it, has ALREADY OCCURED. For example, I use, more accurately, I NEED, an RSS feed reader to keep up with the developments and pace of growth in my field. I require this information to stay competative in my field, thus I am dependent on a technology to keep up with technology.

    So, if this is the singularity, it didn't take too much intelligence to overshadow my own!
  • Dec 9 2011: Intelligence maybe, but we have much more thing that intelligence, and much more precious and impossible to reproduce, like consciousness.
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      Dec 9 2011: Hi Wenceslao:

      Are we so precious (not for ourselves but in absolute terms)?
      Are you sure consciousness can't be reproduced (in case we agree it exists in the first place)?
      Did you know that there are experiments that "probe" apes have self awareness...
      Also there is a nice evolutionary theory that explains self awareness as a product of our ability to simulated in our minds...


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    Dec 9 2011: We will create A I as soon as you tell us what it is.
    We have all the components and a lot of people waiting for a signal to start programming. We just need to figure out what it is we want to create.
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        Dec 9 2011: It might be, but do we have a hundred million years for such a project?
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          Dec 9 2011: Hi Gerald!

          When I said spontaneous I meant that this will likely not come from one specific project but many different technologies converging at some point, starting with the Internet, language recognition programs, computer viruses, augmented reality, genetic research, etc. of course I’m not clear on how this will play, but I like Moore’s law in the sense that it gives me some hope that I will witness great things!



          Sorry, I accidentally deleted my previous comment :(
  • Dec 9 2011: I think the only obstacle for human beings is that we don't know "everything" and because of that we're caught off guard. Information is the key to intelligence. IMHO, im all in for artificial intelligence but will it ever surpass human intelligence? I highly doubt that. One of the reasons would be the fact since it is human beings that will create it, the lack of complete knowledge on our side, is likely to effect its creation.
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      Dec 9 2011: It's not a question of if AI will someday surpass us but when. Sure we're the ones that will build the first AI but it's AI that will build the second and the third etc. AI can have all the worlds knowledge and start making links between that data (same as a human mind) but it can do it fast and more efficiently.

      We already have AI that can beat the worlds best chess players. That alone proves that we're capable of building something that can surpass our of minds.

      A super AI will be born. That's one thing all the experts agree on. They just can't agree on when. Last I looked they said 10-30 years