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What do you think each and every one of us can do to counter the impact and influence of porn as default sex education, everywhere?
Today hardcore porn is more freely and widely available online than ever before, thus accessible by kids at earlier and earlier ages (the average age at which porn is first viewed online is 11; a friend of mine recently found her 9-year-old son watching hardcore porn on her iPhone). At the same time, we do not as a society talk about sex openly; the majority of parents are too embarrassed to teach their kids about sex, and sex education is generally not taught in schools in a realistic and directly relevant way. As a result, and I can testify to this through my direct personal experience of dating younger men, an entire generation (guys and girls alike - girls watch and are as influenced by porn as guys are) is growing up believing that what you see in hardcore porn is the way that you have sex, with some very fundamental, ingrained negative impacts. As someone working to counter this with my venture http://makelovenotporn.com, I would love all thoughts and ideas from the TED community as to how we can collectively address what is, quite frankly, the single biggest impact technology is currently having on the most fundamental aspect of huma behavior - our sexuality, which informs everything to do with how we feel about ourselves, other people, our relationships, our lives and our happiness.
This is a global issue that is currently impacting everywhere.
We'll start this conversation at 1pm EST on Wednesday December 7. I am very much looking forward to conversing with all of you!
Closing Statement from Cindy Gallop
Everybody - I loved this conversation! Terrific free and frank exchange of views, many aligned. I found this enormously helpful, both to me personally as I take MakeLoveNotPorn forwards, but also in the context of the many friends I have who are all tackling different aspects of this whole area in different ways, and will also find a lot of this useful. Many thanks to everyone who participated - I really appreciate it. I hope to continue the conversation in due course, and certainly to add to and expand it when I and my team launch http://makelovenotporn.tv in spring 2012.














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Philippe Daigneault
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Parker Gibson
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Paul Kercal
I'm a youthworker and further ed teacher, my wife is a primary school teacher, my sister in law a secondary school special needs co-ordinator. The tales we could tell. Terrifying because we only deal with a few hundred kids a week and every teacher in every school in most countries can tell the same stories. Today I was told of a 12 year old we're aware of, already on facebook for three years, who's dressed up as a movie star for her 12th birthday. Which involved wearing a dress which was in no way suitable for her age and posing in a manner which kissed goodbye to a childhood already lost. All posted on a social networking site with the privacy filter turned off. Not a daily discussion for us but not rare either.
And porn, as free and available as it is, becomes the understood norm for something which should be sweet, joyful, wonderful, clumsy, new, fresh and beautiful. Milf becomes a standard description for one of the teachers I work with, as if it's not a clumsy and unpleasant and awful way for a student to mention a colleague while I'm in earshot. In fact they've asked me who the milf is, and then they're amazed when I blast them out for it.
I was reading a semi-related article which said that the power of swear words is diminished with overuse. A non-swearer who stubs their toe and says the first word which comes to mind will have the pain exascerpated by the thrill of saying a taboo word. Whereas someone who uses a swear word as a comma will not. As it is with language so it is with sex.
And all to the OST of BEP: Ma Humps.
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Paul Kercal
Jesse D
- More acceptance of love-making in the media. Perhaps we should be aiming to get to the point where a TV show shows some awkward, funny, loving sex between two characters. The knee-jerk response is "No way, what about the 11 year olds?" But that no longer seems to apply - they've likely seen adults having sex already. At least if they are hell-bent on putting themselves in situations they aren't ready for, they might emulate some more realistic adults rather than porn. At the same time we perhaps need...
- More acceptance of love-making in our philosophies. Here is not the place for me to lament what sexuality has become to some worldviews. But sex is indeed too fundamental a part of humanity to be suppressed to anywhere near the extent of something like waiting for marriage. I mean, wait if you would like, but that is no longer the norm, and it never should have been the "ideal". It's simply not necessary, and I think we should be glad that way of thinking is on the decline. What actually matters to sex and love-making is emotional maturity and good knowledge about risks.
-Fearless sex education. And I would add, throughout their school years. Teenagers can either have sex while the adults keep themselves idealistic, or we can all make sure these kids have better survival and safe sex training (i.e. condom use). That takes ongoing reminders, not one class. When the world demands that kids face adult decisions (e.g. in times of war, how to use the internet, and so on) we must equip our kids more quickly and effectively. What is the alternative?
Also, that site "make love not porn" is pretty cool. Except, one you go through all the interesting panels comparing sex and porn, it just says "see, they're different!" What about finishing off with some small request to commit to the idea - "like this on you facebook"
Just some thoughts
Sébastien Cloutier
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Lindsay Newland Bowker 50+
Others with ongoing state programs spoke persuasively for parents encouraging direct and early open, straight forward and fcatual communications with their children on human sexuality..correct names for body parts, clear guidance not only with strangers but with peers etc
.There is no way around it. Parents are hey key. Schools can't do the job of filling in gaps in parent child communications. But many, perhaps most parents needs help and support and guidance in how to do this. Very important.
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T A
A serious sex education curricula....
The best thing would be to stop/never have children. :) I'm doing my part.
Just think how many other bigger problems would be solved too.
Just sayin.
-------a very unpopular and uncool thing to say......probably'll go unmentioned
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Philippe Daigneault
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Burton Wynne
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Philippe Daigneault
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Samuel Hauptmann van Dam
And well, I don't think technology is as much the impact as the people and societies behind them.
None the less, I think this is one of these never ending issues of balance and what people perceive as being the norm. I believe that the easiest and most effective way to come your issue to life, is teaching in the image of strong women and men.
And a strong person is one that talks and debates preferences. You talk about confidence as an experienced women and I think confidence in the idea that talking about sex and gaining confidence is key.
I believe that we are going into sexual expanding times, these will undoubtedly be forced into contracting times but since that is probably far off into the future as we are in a fairly relaxed period in human history, I think that getting your message integrated into education as well as the fabric of the internet is key.
You got a cute website but it is porn killer. I am working on a project and I might be able to help you in the future but for now, I think your best shot is some kind of Facebook integrated debate.
On the education of the internet this what I think you should have in mind to be relevant. http://www.khanacademy.org/ Khan is making a education website and having the sexuality debate there seems very natural.
REMEMBER! Do not give people points for being creative, it only kills creativity.
So a mix of those two and you will be going. I got no funding but if are ever interested, I might have the vision.
Best regards,
Samuel.
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Candace Scott
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Sean Anders
However, I admit that changing this is unrealistic in a practical, pro-active way. To address the question of pornography specifically, kids need to be given a real explanation of sex. That yes, it does feel good, and yes it is for making babies. That they should wait for someone that they love before having sex, but that if they decide not to, then they shouldn't be ashamed in buying condoms or other contraceptives. As stands now, we tell kids and teenagers to do this, or don't do that. We shouldn't be telling them what to do so much as reasons why they should and should not. Telling a child "do not place your hand on stove" is far less of a deterrent than explaining to the child "if you place your hand on the stove, your hand will get burnt and it will hurt very, very bad."
Moreover, I think that we should EMBRACE pornography rather than ban it. Pornography has opened a lot of things to our children that we may or may not wish for them to see. But, like it as we may not, it's not going anywhere. With the ever growing prevalence of technology for younger persons, it is becoming ever easier to access. So instead, let us embrace it. Push the porn industry to make porn of more realistic sex between a loving couple. As children become interested in sex, make this available for them so that their sexual urges can be fulfilled without skewing their views of what sex is supposed to be.
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j m
theres all sorts,
soft and hard,
where we draw the line is based on experience
everyone has a different experience
respect each others experience
if you reach your "line", either walk away, or endure growing pains...
Philippe Daigneault
Burton Wynne
How do you define 'normal people'?
Corvida Raven 100+
I'm a normal person and porn doesn't come close to the sex I have. That's why it's called porn and not just sex.
Sean Anders
Defining normal action is difficult to begin with, but when we're concerned with something that people talk so little about, it becomes even harder, and worse still, biased. While I might not engage in choking, hair pulling, or some of the other things that people have mentioned in this very thread, they are still very much normal. But the negative stigma of not being normal is often attached to them because of very similar mentalities of it not meeting the same sexual criteria as what you, or any other readers, might engage in.
j m
love is union, unity, unification
sex is caress, massage, pleasureable touch, relieving
sexual union is when man and woman resut in child, a union of man woman to create another human
Philippe Daigneault
Mike Euverman
I do no believe that the proper education needs to done prior to a child encountering pornography or other graphic images, as children view violence on television but are taught that it is separate from reality. That what they are viewing on television is "fake". For pornography, no one sits down with the child to explain the differences between what they have viewed, and what should occur in reality.
Why not teach children what sex IS, as opposed to only teaching what the possible results are? The most progressive Sex-Ed class that I have encountered, as one that actually showed what a condom was. The focus still remained on avoiding unwanted pregnancies or contracting STDs. Everything taught was focused on the negative, while porn gives the appearance of showing the positives. It's understandable that people get confused.
Edit: In my opinion, children should be taught about sex at whatever age they start to ask questions about it. When they ask "Where do babies come from?", is when the education should start.
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Corvida Raven 100+
While the content of Sex-ED should definitely change (I agree with you completely on that Mike), it's just not the environment for such conversation, in my humble opinion.
Cindy Gallop 200+
And yes, this open dialogue needs to happen EVERYWHERE.
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j m
But frankly, we just dont understand attention, human attention, its motivations, intentions. We take its dynamics for granted and assume a certain righteous stance on what is good for other people. more often than not by denying what we deem bad, but rarely supplying what is good, instead imposing that the oher should seek it out.
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Brittney R
It's absurd that there isn't time spent in school teaching kids to read and think critically about media when they spend so much of their lives consuming it.
Just as absurd as not teaching kids the basic science of human anatomy and reproduction - just like any other science. Or teaching teenagers about consent, communication, and healthy relationships.
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Bill Stoneberg
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Jeremy Peters
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Kristofer Schmolze
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Melissa Belli
Developing alternative erotic sites that show sex but without all the humiliation so as to have some variety of points of view may also help.
Cindy Gallop 200+
However, there is also the fact that many women - and men - work in porn by their own free choice and are professional and committed about the job they do (I have a lot of friends in the porn industry who fall into this category), but find themselves unable to take pride in their work and live open lives because society demonizes the porn industry and sees it as one evil amorphous mass.
To your last point, I think you'll find http://makelovenotporn.tv when it launches in the spring very interesting....
Burton Wynne
http://blogs.villagevoicemedia.com/corporate/2011/06/kutchers_folly_the_latest_sex.php
Debra Kinninger
Shelley Latham
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j m
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Shean F
Most importantly is to Educate, teach the truth, from all aspects and angles. Apreciate nudity as something beautiful, its us, its our body, dont censore it, the ancient sculptures always showed this. Its natural in the Indian culture, expressed in their arts, literature etc (kama Sutra)
REAL HONEST SEX EDUCATION--why censore something so natural and enjoyable and without it none of us would exist, it´s part of us, our history and survival. Sex is impulsive, instinctual, and enjoyable! This meaning we can´t just focus sex ed merely on a biological facet rather as something integrated with thw WHOLE of us.
As written by S.L O´B. on FB "we need to nurture sexuality (as many have said here), and not just as gay or straight or bisexual, but as diverse as the human behind the sex. That as long as you are with someone who consents, and you are not hurting anyone physically, emotionally, or mentally, including yourself, that it is okay to enjoy the kind of sex you want, and that includes watching other people have sex, if they are consenting to allow you to do so, as in porn and porn actors. I don't think porn is the issue here. People raped and molested before porn existed, and people degraded themselves and others before porn existed, and they will continue to do these things until we cure our ill society of sexual oppression.
Stop making it Taboo, and as a part of our daily ilves(which it already is) but naturally accepted & spoken
I´ve been told that in Brazil since kindergarten you´re taught about sex from books made by sxeologist (not sure its a fact).
To end a Quote by John Lennon "We live in a world where we hide to make love, but violence is practiced in full light of day".
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Kelly Loveless
Phil Cochetti
I am a little concerned that we're underestimating kids if you think that they honestly are going to believe that everything that happens in porn is how it should be. Recent findings in Pediatrics suggest that most kids aren't nearly as involved in sexting. New findings regarding "sexting" discovered that most kids aren't showing graphic images of themselves.
I am also concerned that we are ostracizing many 'deviant' sexual acts that are a part of a normal and healthy sexual experience. Sexuality is a continuum and things like tickling can go from playful fun and a slight stimulation to the point that someone feels so overcome and out of control that it's a rape like experience. Other activities such as bondage fall along a similar spectrum.
I personally feel blessed that I'm from a faith that took the reins and gave all its youth a course on human sexuality via its Sunday school function. Courses such as "About Your sexuality" and "Our whole lives" should be more widely offered to give kids an understanding of such continuums as above and healthy ways to talk about sex, sexuality, sexual health and what is normal behavior.
Cindy Gallop 200+
Do go to the 'About' page on http://makelovenotporn.com to see just some of the emails I receive daily, the majority from teenagers and twentysomethings, that demonstrate why this is indeed an issue. You can find a lot more detail on this in my short TED e-book here: http://itunes.apple.com/us/book/make-love-not-porn/id452296228?mt=11
Your upbringing sounds great - I wish there was a whole lot more of that.
Debra Kinninger
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