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Nadine Clement

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Make Civil Marriage the Norm for the entire country and religious marriage a symbolic addition to that

For years we have been trying to make people reform their religious views to include gay marriage and I think it is causing harm to both parties. I am suggesting a simple alternative, make civil unions the default of the land, if you want to get marriage under the eyes of god that is a separate ceremony.

All laws that include incentives for 'marriage' should be changed to 'civil union' in the books.

Religious ceremonies should be separate from the government and should not give any additional rights that you would not get in a civil union.

Civil Unions therefore should be expanded to included any and all rights of a marriage as we think of it now and religious marriage should be reduced to a symbolic ceremony.

In short in this system EVERYONE would be required to get a civil union if they wanted the United States of American to view them as couple, and then after that they are free to make the decision if they want to have a religious cermony in the eyes of God.

This would be protecting religious rights but also giving rights to the people that deserve to be regonized as a couple with all the incentives and protections of marriage.

Thank you for reading my petition.



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    Nov 27 2011: Well you see gay marriage is an issue that I am trying to fight for but it's not my ultimate purpose, you see I believe that the change for religious community to accept gays into their religious practices has to come from inside the church. Yes I think it is misguided that they do not have that thought process but this petition is about getting people that do not have the same rights even though they are 'civilly married'.
    For example a homosexual couple might be civilly married but one might still get deported or not be able to make decisions if their partner is unable to, these things I think we can fix quickly with this petition although the religious aspect will be a harder and longer process.
    And civil marriage is allowed for homosexuals in the united states already it is just a matter of getting them the same rights as a married couple who is not.

    I do believe to that there should be more of a separation of church and state in my country and that is another thing that this is strongly fighting for. Thank you so much for your comments!
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      Nov 28 2011: I hope you'll have the opportunity to get how it works here in France (by the way, how come you have such a Frenchy name?? :) )

      We are supposed to have separated state and religion since 1904. THen all the religions are supposed to be equal, provided they are not classified as sects, but in fact a lot remains, which makes still the Catholic religion privileged compared to the others

      - Churches being very old buildings, part of our heritage, they are maintained by tax payers, so catholics don't have problem to find places to pray (more difficult to find a priest in some places, but it is another story), while muslims have to pray in vaults or streets.

      - if a bank holidays is related to religion, it is a catholic day !

      - When some non catholic (protestant, jew for instance) people can pretend to be president, this religion things is a matter in nerwspapers...

      A you can see, things are not perfect....
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        Nov 29 2011: That is very interesting a lot of that I did not know about French Policy. In the States we have a similar thing with religious equality (we have tax breaks for churches etc.) but it is very hard to get tax breaks for a Buddhist Temple while it is very easy to get a huge retreat for Christians, it's uneven but I hope with the continued ideals that we can make the situation better. I always thought it was really interesting that religion matters so much in politics, politics shouldn't be about your personal life but what you plan to do in office, if I am not mistaken a very French ideal?

        :) I am a little French but I am a mutt of all Europe. My mom liked the name, I think originally it was Spanish though meaning melody but I think all of Europe's languages touch in one form at some point.

        Thank you again for your comments! :)
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          Nov 29 2011: Nadine,

          I suggest you to have a look on how Germany deals with religion. If my understanding is correct, when they pay taxes, they say which one is their religion, and a fraction of their tax goes to some representative instances of that religion.

          In france, it would be a revolution if some official paper was asking the religion of individuals!!

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