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What role do you think humor has in human discourse?

I am a huge proponent of humor used in small measures to enlighten and propel a conversation forward. It is a remarkably versatile and worthwhile ingredient to any recipe for unlocking truths. It has been my experience that TED conversations appear to largely forgo the use of humor as if it were MSG or some kind of unpronounceable chemical additive. Do you think this is an accurate assessment?

On the other hand, many TED talks are well-seasoned with humor and it is standard wisdom that most formal presentations need to be whetted with humor from time to time to keep things “real”.

I’m talking about wit. I’m talking about insightful humor. Twain-like quips. David Sedaris-like observations. Churchillian witticisms. Obama-like levity.

It’s a difficult subject to address seriously. Everyone is born with a sense of humor, yet so often it is kept under wraps when we talk “seriously” about issues.

I am NOT advocating for “laughs”. Not looking for jokes. Not interested in embarrassing someone or offending someone.

I am NOT talking about the “everybody is a comedian” syndrome that seems to infect social scenes nowadays. I am not talking about the pointless, baseless humor meant to shock and offend sensibilities.

I am NOT talking about controversial humor that acts like an irritant.

I am talking about human nature.

How do you feel about it?

Topics: World Peace
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    Nov 28 2011: Great !! NOW you tell us !!
    I was so busy memorizing what you are and what you are not talking about and stretching my brain that I completely missed out on the two small words at the bottom. You mean the answer to your puzzle was written on the face page all along ??!! ThanksALOT ;-) :-)
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    Nov 28 2011: Telling jokes, especially little ironies, but failing to help your audience with the convincing delivery visage, are doomed to failure. The result is often more discomfort of the audience than the shared delight of the tellers Wit.
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    Nov 28 2011: Laughter is good medicine and strengthens the immune system. Humor makes the speaker likable and his or her argument more believable. Its hard to be annoyed at a humorist and so hard to be annoyed at what they are saying. Good attorneys know your humor can win over a jury when arguments might be less convincing. Try listening to Ken Robinson for a bit of humor on TED.
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    Nov 27 2011: Here are some things I came across while doing one paper. First one to talk about it was Socrates. He believed that humor is what we call immune system of a body and imagined it physical as what we call lymph. Since than, we haven't progressed a lot. There is no official definition. The ones that exist are more of descriptive nature and everybody agree on how hard it is to study it. Humor became studied in collages only in past decade, and still only in very few institutions in world. There is no official classification. I found one with 77 described types, and they where described only by using one comic situation. In order to study humor, you also have to look deeply into the laughter. It is more determined and has 7 types. There is one important detail: in every type of humor lies something that is illogical for our minds and has laughter as reaction to that lac of logic. There is so many details I discovered, but this box is to small for listing all :)

    I call humor a system of communication. I believe you are quite right when you say it can bring world peace. I am media person fascinated with group communication, especially manipulation of masses and this moment when mass starts being dominated with a kind of common mind that receives simple orders and does not question them. It is well known pattern, and people leading crowds know how to use it. It is very dangerous and unfair as well. I have seen it working in practice. Now, mass media have one common problem: by their very definition they use only mass communication, that as a consequence always calls for peoples mass mind, and prevent them from analytically thinking. Now, what I believe in, and would be happy to devote my life to is researching how that pattern of communication with a mass mind works when you put humor in it . My thesis is that humor has power of breaking patterns of manipulation and bringing individual thinking. I also believe that is good enough to make the world more peaceful place.
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      Nov 28 2011: You and I feel the same... :)

      I would love to know more about your research on humor and laughter and it's affect on people's lives - and how it can play a roll in advancing world peace. I, too, am very interested in the subject and am currently using it as a teaching tool with young children.

      Thanks for joining the conversation!
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        Nov 28 2011: Well, for starters, I could try and translate my work to English, and I would be glad to share it. Its titled "Ethic of black humor and its usage in business communication". It has good research structure of humor itself, and also proved me that I had no idea what black humor is. So I ended up discovering what I first chose to write thinking I had a point. Further more, I could recommend some literature I was using (and still am piling up), and finally I would love to discuss and share knowledge and opinion on this matter. I have to admit you inspired me, since I paused my academic studies and never done another work on this subject (once I actually got the point). Thank you for that. Contact me through email for sharing work. I'm looking forward to continuing this conversation.
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    Nov 26 2011: Aha……To me,humor is an important thing to harmony among people,which is not seriously related to world peace.
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      Nov 26 2011: Croker - "To me,humor is an important thing to harmony among people,which is not seriously related to world peace."

      Are you kidding? Harmony among people is not is not seriously related to world peace??

      I don't believe that humor is a significant factor in attaining world peace - but harmony among people is.
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    Nov 26 2011: I'm a little disappointed that no one in this conversation seems to have noticed that I suggest in my opening statement above that this conversation is about "World Peace"

    In the remaining hours of this conversation, who here thinks humor can promote understanding and in some small way help lead us to world peace?

    Not me!

    ME!
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      Nov 27 2011: ME
      In fact comedians such as Eddie izzard and Tim Minchin tackle many issues in their acts.
      Here are some videos of them and others you may find an interest in:
      http://youtu.be/r-iW3rKo-vA
      http://youtu.be/EeLR_F9WGAE
      http://youtu.be/6omQ5JjjLsE
      http://youtu.be/KVN_0qvuhhw
      http://youtu.be/HhGuXCuDb1U
      http://youtu.be/ouDRDzqTu0M
      http://youtu.be/nBdhnmnLnUc
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        Nov 27 2011: Very good! Thanks...

        Yes, humor could very well be the wild card in our pursuit of world peace. We want to think it is compassion, empathy, compromise, tolerance and things like that we need more of to bring us closer to world peace, but it could be that we just need to inject some humor into the equation... Imagine the world smiling, laughing at themselves. That would be a good place.
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          Nov 27 2011: That would be such an awesome place...maybe, one day, who knows?
          There is a debate on whether comedians should just stick to entertaining and not try and spread any message (something that it's mentioned on the second part of the Green Room progam link I posted) There is also the danger of people getting offended, like I think Colleen is saying, however I personally think the more we expose our views, even if controversial for some, the more we can get to know about each other and maybe the more we can get to understand each other. And what better way of doing it than through humor.

          There's a quote that stuck with me although I can't remember by who:

          "IF IT'S NOT FUNNY I CAN'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY"
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      Nov 27 2011: Hi Jim,
      I believe humor CAN promote understanding and in some small way help lead us to world peace. I also believe that we need to be aware when participating in cross-cultural interactions, because of different cultural beliefs, mis-interpretation, language, etc.

      That being said, I'd like to share two quotes by Mother Theresa:
      "Peace begins with a smile"
      and
      "We shall never know all the good that a simple smile can do"
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        Nov 27 2011: For some reason your MT quotes reminded me of an incredible example of how powerful humor can be in affecting lives....
        Have you seen the movie, "It's a Beautiful Life"? It's an extraordinary piece of cinematic art that documents how humor can be the only thing left between hope and despair.

        Thanks for triggering that!! I would have been sad if this conversation ended without that movie coming to mind. For those of you who have seen the movie, it is that kind of humor that I think is so remarkable and important to the quality of life. It is that form of humor that knows no boundries, transcends cultural differences.
        For those of you who haven't seen it, see it.
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          Nov 27 2011: That has got to be one of the best movies ever made...
          I think Charlie Chaplin deserves to be mentioned here too since he was one of the greatest amongst the greatest.
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        Nov 28 2011: "Charlie Chaplin" is a perfect way to say goodbye to this conversation. He was a supremely, profoundly gifted person who used humor to change the world into a better place.

        Yes, "A Beautiful Life" is a remarkable story.

        Thanks for all you've shared here :)
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          Nov 28 2011: Now that I re-read your comment I realised I was talking about the Italian movie "Life is beautiful" directed by Roberto Benigni. Was that the one you meant? If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.

          It has been a great conversation, thank you.
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    Nov 26 2011: The difference between humor and other art forms might be that we actually describe ourselves as having a “sense” of humor.

    Having spent a large part of my working life helping children to be imaginative, I’ve used music as a powerful teaching tool to accomplish that. I’ve always been struck by a quote that refers to the children’s song, “Hokey Pokey”. If you don’t know the song, let’s just say it ranks up there with other “songs” as being one of the most mindless melodies and lyrics of all time (many children’s songs are on that list – why?) Every stanza of the song ends with the words, “that’s what it’s all about!” The rest of the lyrics that lead up to that statement are profoundly mundane, excruciatingly repetitious, and virtually devoid of any real meaning; but each stanza ends with the proclamation: “That’s what it’s all about!”
    And that simple statement may be more meaningful than the countless philosophies and religions that have vied for our attention and allegiance over time. The quote that is framed and hung in many early childhood staff rooms around the world is this:
    “Maybe the Hokey Pokey IS what it’s all about.”

    Or maybe not…

    Life should be, among other things, a little amusing.
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    Nov 25 2011: The role of humor is the release of tension.

    Laughing is as old as our species lived within close groups.
    Even with other primates it is common to show teeth when threatened and by doing this pulling the corners of the mouth back. The release of any threat or insecurity leads to the relaxation of the mouth and pulls the corners up.
    This relaxation is read from the face by other members in the group which tell them that everything is safe. With this one could express and communicate a good feeling a signal not to be frightened.

    In the course of time human beings found all kinds of ways to give each other a good feeling as with humor it still is to build a kind of tension and to suddenly take away the reason. And with a nice smile you are accessible which we call friendly.

    Humor has to fit with any sort of people we interact with. The wit of one isn’t understood by another. The joke can give a good laugh while it is offensive by another group.

    Humor is based on culture and agreements and seldom is funny outside the group or language you live. If someone uses humor too often it can be really boring.
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    Nov 25 2011: Yes!
  • Nov 25 2011: I think the Muppet's on the Macy's Thanksgiving day parade where lip-singing....
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    Nov 25 2011: Let me offer a bit of my experience with humour. I have 'trained' people in presentation, and usually the advise for using humour in presentation is: use it only if you can pull it off. From my aspect, the difficulty in 'pulling' off the trick is having a very clear understanding of the audience and then say the 'appropriate' things to effect. TED presenters are experts in their fields, for example they have very clear grasp of the misconceptions audience might have.
    In an utilitarian sense, IMO humour in a presentation, speech or a conversation is kind of like an escalator, or portal. It instantly bridges concepts, moves you to another plane, and allows one to see the situation in another light. Hence it is actually a crucial tool in presenting information that the audience might not be familiar with. (So i hardly think it's an option). Well, we can always take the stairs, but teleporting is always more fun.
    And the reason why it amuses us, i have to say its because having felt its effects (paradigm shift, making new links in our brain, seeing something in a different light), it should feel pleasurable, its fun; "give me more of that, that's exactly why I am listening to you!"
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    Nov 24 2011: if it is not funny it is not a worthwhile talk. If it is funny there is some truth accepted. You can laugh when you get something.
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    Nov 24 2011: Seeing discrepancy between imagination and reality.
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      Nov 24 2011: Ah! I like that kind of humor much more than joke telling.
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    Nov 24 2011: Mistress : something between mister and matress.
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    Nov 24 2011: Paul - Such pressure!

    Q: Why did the potato chip start to cross the road but stop in the middle?

    A: Because there was a dip in the road.

    To be frank, I think there is humor embedded in almost everything. You've just got to find it.

    -But then again, I'm not Frank.

    (did you see it coming?)
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    Nov 24 2011: So here we are, with everyone saying how important humor is in communicating. And here we are communicating. And I haven't felt my funnybone tickle once. Now that's funny!
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    Nov 24 2011: As Woody Allen said when asked if he has ever dated more than one woman at the same time: "I like to disappoint my women one at a time."
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  • Nov 24 2011: You should keep it simple and short.Just like a kiss.
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    Nov 24 2011: Silly question: Why is it that women typically say they are more attracted to men who have a "good sense of humor" then almost anything else?
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      Nov 24 2011: Because we are going to have to put up with their jokes anyway so it's better if they are good ones!
    • Nov 24 2011: I have no idea why all women repeat that, really. I simply can't understand why other person should have this so called "sense of humor" instead of each of us who requires it. Maybe people themselves should have the sense of humor that they are looking for all the time:) as well as the ability to ironise and laugh at themselves sometimes. People accept themselves so seriously and in the same time they want someone else to make them laugh. Especially women...I am not looking for sense of humor:). I have sense of humor and the sense of humor comes naturally from the other side. And re: the main question: The sense of humor is important but what is most important (as per my opinion) is not to accept yourself so seriously:)
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        Nov 25 2011: Pocahontas - I think you are onto what is most valuable about humor - it allows us to cope with the cruelties of reality. What if life is meaningless? Laugh it off.

        To be self-effacing is to know you are unimportant in the scheme of things but you're ok with it.
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      Nov 28 2011: To Jim's 'silly question:
      A smile can be a like the humble gesture of Ignatius ( or Augustine or one of those devotes). You kneel and you cannot help but feel humble. You smile and you can't help but feeling the world is a more likable place. A man who makes me smile, has me engaged. A woman who laughs at my jokes makes me feel appreciated. What better way to grow resonance between people.
      That 'reply' button doesn't put the rely anywhere close to the question being answered, just at the end of the list of indentions. On the learning curve.
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    Nov 24 2011: If you are interested in human nature, you should forget about humor and look to comedy. Comedy encompasses wit, play, and humor, but on a structural level it also includes a deep reminder about what is important in life. Humor is the stuff of jokes; comedy is the stuff of Falstaff and Aristophanes. Unlike humor, comedy has a critical tradition that extends to the Greeks—if you want to know what role it plays in human discourse, it's a richer field.

    Here's an interesting essay about play and comedy: http://www.canuck.com/~bnb/greatcosmicjoke/reallife/playethic.html
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      Nov 24 2011: It depends on your definition of comedy. (See Stephen Camm's comment below on evolution) If you are referring to comedy in the classical sense then yes.

      "Humor is the stuff of jokes; comedy is the stuff of Falstaff and Aristophanes".

      I disagree. I think humor is a high form of comedy and is used to provide insight, levity, perspective, etc. and comedy as being more "the stuff of jokes" as you say.

      Both are useful. But humor is critical. Humor is a pervasive thing. There is humor in nature, humor in saddness, humor ikn confusion, humor in sexuality, humor in politics, humor in death, humor in birth, humor in art, even humor in science (no small feat). I also think it is humor that is "medicine" - not comedy, not laughter.

      We may be playing semantics here (a TED tradition). I understand your classical definition of comedy and the long tradition of comedy in the arts, but in today's terminology it is humor that is critical - not comedy. Comedy is important (where would the world be without Charlie Chaplin?) but I think it is a person's ability to find humor in existence that is critical. You need not look any further than at many of the comments here to see that.
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      Nov 24 2011: Incidentally, there was a TED conversation taking place that recently closed. I was unaware that it was closing so soon and entered into it on the last couple of days with what I thought was a "humorous" comment. It caused something of a stir and two TEDsters I highly respect could not make heads or tails of why I said what I said. I never got a chance to explain my cryptically humorous comment. My plan was to use satire to show why the USA taking over the world was in fact a ludicrous idea. I was going to approach it in a Stephen Colbert kind of way to expose the 1,000 reasons why that would amount to Armageddon, but the conversation closed.
      Maybe I'll just continue that conversation here just so that I can sharpen my satirical skills. That's why I love TED conversations.
  • Nov 24 2011: Humor allows us to criticize openly. We tend to lower our guard when we feel they aren't being under attack, and humor allows us to see things in a different perspective.
  • Nov 24 2011: First good presentations typically include humor....the purpose being to connect. http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/100-incredible-lectures-world-s-top-scientists.htm is a site that illustrates this (also enjoy). Humor from a "how did it evolve"" point is also a very interesting subject (with little research). While there are opinions on what humor is, an unexpected surprise is one, the more interesting question perhaps is it's use and development in early man. 'If you can relate to The peek-a-boo game parents play with young children the question is what are they responding to. While "surprise" might be part of it I think relief (removal of fear) may be also. And as we or at least most of us know laughter can defuse a situation and reduce tension. Anyone caring to follow this line of thinking??? Maybe laughter is the best medicine.
  • Nov 24 2011: It's the nod, the wink, and the acknowledgement (that we're in this together) that allows us to open up and really delve into each other, into ideas, and, ulitmately, into humanity.
  • Nov 23 2011: Thanks, Juliette. I am grateful to you for your explicit expression of appreciation for my verbal expression related to this subject matter. I expanded on it in response to your request. Let us both keep expressing our true thoughts and feelings. I feel and think it is important in accomplishing our many positive goals.
  • Nov 21 2011: I believe the role of 'humor' is few and far between. Some of humor has been relegated to the role of comedy and to extremism. I agree with your characterisation of humor that you're trying to conceptualize (Sedaris, Twain, etc). I am a big fan of 30s, 40s, 50s comedies - Philadelphia Story, She Done Him Wrong, Duck Soup, etc. For me, I associate it with 'witty humor' such as the 'kind' I see in Raymond Chandler novels. From a philosophical standpoint, it is not so much humor in general but the degree and kind of humor that is commonplace. It is the minority in contemporary standards.

    On a side note, I understand he's a comedian, but a brilliant one at that, but I use Louis CK's stand-up material to start discussions in my classroom on race, gender, and the family. So in that sense, humor is used in an educational role. Otherwise, in my opinion, it is mostly used as an entertainment or kitsch concept.
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    Nov 21 2011: Here we are half way through this conversation and the name "Tina Fey" has not been mentioned.

    I am presently in love with Tina (actually Liz Lemon). I love everything about the way she works and lives her life (Liz). I think she is the quintessential American woman.

    Tina Fey is an incrediblly talented woman who sees life through the prism of humor.
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    Nov 20 2011: Short notice, but on PBS tonight (Sunday, 11/20) at 9pm, EST, American Masters "Woody Allen: A Documentary"