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Is it possible to produce great art without sacrificing your families needs?

I love photography and I also like to read about great photographers. I just read a biography of Dorthea Lange, the photographer who took the photo Migrant Mother in the 1930’s. It is a powerful and wonderful photograph that has few equals for telling a story that needs to be told. It is also a great photograph. I have always been captivated by her work.

What struck me about the book is that success as a photographer was inversely related to her success as a parent. She spent little time with her children and in order to complete her work she had to have her children raised by others. Now remember I said success as a patent and not mother. Famous male photographers from Walker Evans to Ansel Adams to Robert Capa all have had to either forgo family or to ignore the family that they had. I don’t think that this is a gender thing.

We all look at the photographic results and adore the picture without thinking about the costs. Are the above individuals unique or is there a Faustian bargain that is necessary to create amazing art? Is the bargin worth it?

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    Nov 16 2011: I would lean towards suggesting that you can't be a great anything without sacrificing time with your family. I would also suggest however that if you have a supportive partner, that doesn't have to work, and can make the time you spend with your family as valuable as possible, then you are in an optimal situation. Basically, I think it's difficult to be great at your job, craft, or art, if your partner has a full time job, craft, or art. So you need to be good enough, and society needs to value your skill enough for you to fit into the provider role for your family... and you need to seek out a supportive enough partner to really make every minute you have worth while.

    If you want to be a great photographer, you need to pick a partner that will travel the world with you homeschooling your kids. It doesn't have to be a woman, i'm a productive guy with a sharp wit, but if I meet a beautiful talented artist that makes a good living, I'll follow her around and be a houseband. A person can work sixty hours a week and still be a parent, if their partner is not just picking up the slack but coming up with engaging ways for the family to spend time in what little time you have. Basically, i think it takes 2 great people to make one great artist, craftsman, or employee/employer, without sacrificing being good parents. Both men and women seem to be refusing to admit that in modern culture.
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    Nov 15 2011: great question. I kind of knew when I opted for family that perhaps i wouldnt become a great artist. but perhaps i can still make some great art. Time
  • Nov 13 2011: Libbey- I don't ever think I ever heard it put so well. Your second line and your last line strike me as complete truth. I should have known that a single sentence response on TED would never fly- it is too simplistic. I was told that by a very wise and wonderful old man who was trying to help me through that question in my own life, trying infuse me with the intense responsibility of both endeavors, and to resist the western need to "have it all" and do everything. Western women are uniquely aware of the personal pain this can cause, as either desire or expectation. Thanks, Libbey!
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    Nov 13 2011: The only true measure of a "what if..." question comprised of two opposite scenarios is to test them BOTH. Since the artists mentioned cannot have possibly lived two lives (nor can any of us) producing art while being an engaged and then dis-engaged parent - we can only speculate. Sadly we'll have just 1/2 of the evidence / data needed to form a reasonable conclusion.
    I am both an artist and a parent. The act of creation, whether biologically or artistically - is not without responsibility. The artist is NOT exempt from this. And in the case of the artists mentioned, the sacrifice is on the part of the children/spouse - not the wayward parent-artist. So in fact, the work created has more than a single person behind the vision and the work itself. It is the result of an ensemble effort - because the relationships we engage in, whether tended appropriately or not - have bearing on our work. We are influenced. And should give credit to it. Artists often talk about the relationship they have with the work they create - and this applies as well to the lives they create or the children/families they belong to - whether present physically or not.
    What is art? The best definition I recall is: "The well doing of that which needs to be done" So art is infused into every task, every act of creating, the entirety of our lives.
    The arts are largely rooted in the realm of intangibility. The mystery is somehow captivating, but not an excuse for abandonment. Scientists will tell you they have the same compulsion to understand, bookkeepers to balance ledgers, salesmen to sell - these professions are no more or less valuable endeavors than that of the ballerina, the musician, or the photographer for example.
    I think a truly great work of art is born from problem solving AND inspiration. Neither of those things are really achieved if a person ignores their family. But that brings me back to my original statement - we will never know what might have been achieved, only what is.
  • Nov 13 2011: some are meant to make art- others are meant to raise children. period. we cannot serve two masters.
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      Nov 13 2011: Yes - they can. It's just a lot more difficult.

      The other choice is to CHOOSE one or the other. An artist who cannot BE a parent, shouldn't have children.

      People, especially children - aren't disposable.
      There is nothing great about an artist who harms the innocent to answer the "muse" Through history, great artists have made conscious, and certainly painful choices to dedicate their lives to art - and even then, they find themselves in the position of having to earn a living in order to afford to create art. I don't believe the gifted are helped when they are excused from normalcy - I believe it harms them as both a person and an artist.
      Along those lines ~ Michelangelo hated painting. But the Sistine Chapel was a paying job & it afforded him the marble he required to sculpt. Which of these endeavors is more "valuable?" His frescoes and paintings - so beautifully executed, with such inspired conceptual and thematic depth - of which he loathed every moment creating? or The sculptures - the work he adored, which spoke to him, which transformed him into a god-like life giver, freeing the figures from their marble casements, resulting in works of art unfathomably intense and poetic. Sculpture was his "rush" - but it had a price. Both resulted in important achievements for him and us.

      Parenting is a joy and it's a job. It's often so hard - but the reward is beyond measure. For ourselves and the future.

      I say never mistake what you do, with who you are.
      It is possible to infuse art & parenting. But it comes at a price.
      That doesn't mean the art created is subpar, it simply means the artist has work harder.
      Those who are given great gifts, have greater responsibility. Period.
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    Nov 11 2011: My speculation is that it would be unlikely that both parents in a family would achieve artistic eminence but that one of the parents may while the other carries more of the homebuilding responsibilities.

    In some careers (looking beyond art), eminence may be achieved prior to having children, and then sustaining eminence has been possible with children. Scientists are coming to mind. I think Marie and Pierre Curie had an excellent marriage and a close relationship with their daughter, who followed her mother in winning a Nobel in science.

    Richard Feynman achieved eminence in a loving, devoted marriage (wife died young) and then had children in a later marriage, doting on them at the same time as continuing eminent work, though his greatest achievements were before they were born.
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    Nov 11 2011: There is a strong correlation between obsessive compulsive disorders and people who are highly effective or successful in a wide range of careers. I remember that a prof I had in graduate school said that it was likely that most graduate students have a strong component of it as well. I am not sure of where this data might actually lie but it has a ring of some truth.

    If this is so, these people are inclined to focus on whatever their fixation is to the detriment of other things including people that they love. It is as though all of their energies gravitate to a narrow focus that allows them to 'forget' about or block out other things.

    I think we should all hope for as much balance as we can achieve but that we are a product of our brains in some cases. Maybe those who have such great passions need to employ tools like calendars, scheduling and reminder notes to bring them away from their fixation into the world of people. I think that having a great body of work at the end of your life is one way to gain some meaning and satisfaction but it might pale in comparison to having cultivated loving relationships. It would be great to perserve and cultivate both before the end.
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    Nov 11 2011: Fred i think that great art is always based on a conflict. Moral one or political one- it does not matter. Good artists from the beginning of art painted conflicts.
    In the same way good art also creates conflicts between the artist, himself and his family. The more value it has in your life, the more conflicts it will draw.
  • Nov 11 2011: Is it worth it is always the question? I see no correlation to a faustian bargain. Creativity is a very tough love to shackle. We implicitly love our family and friends. These are interpersonal loves, the genesis of art, whatever form, done for sheer love, should transcend the benefits or sacrifice of the progenitor. It should leave a lasting legacy as Adams',Evens',Capa', proved, anyone can now stare upon these creative expressions and be transported, moved, inspired. There could possibly be a way to incorporate your loved ones into your creative process, but I for one, find this difficult. And the format of photography, the usual home life would seem mundane and boring, if one seeks those timeless images that domestic life cannot provide. Inspiration for the individual artist can be hard to find and elusive, and some when struck, must follow this love wherever keeps it from growing stagnant. We make sacrifices everyday, hopefully it becomes more a matter of healthy compromise in the life of an artist. Until becoming recognized, one does not have the finances to hire baby sitters, or fly home to see the wife. Should one take the leap and follow this compelling artistic urge, which could eventually bring them personal happiness, as well as monetary sustenance for their loved ones. Being around your loved ones is important, but can't you pursue your dream as well as be a father/mother? I imagine it was painful to always be away for these artists, but I imagine the pursuit of their inspiration outweighed the cost of their absence. If your love is great with your partner, I imagine they would allow you to follow your passion, even if it deprived them of your company for months of the year. We want our loved ones to be happy, and if that means traveling, shouldn't we allow them their pursuit and happiness. Despite our own selfish want of their affection. If being away produces happiness for the artist, & they give happiness back to their loved ones. Isn't price worth?
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      Nov 11 2011: The faustian bargain was this for Lange - Make the spectacular photo and sacrifice your relationship with your children and their well-being. One had to give since from a purely physical perspective she couldn't be in the migrant workers camp and with her kids at the same time. She chose her art and not her kids. Society as a whole probably is glad she made that choice since her photographs had a positive impact on the plight of the migrant workers and we have graced us with the images for decades after. Her kids probably wouldn't agree.
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    Nov 11 2011: Is it worth it? Depends on the value that your art has in your life.
    The creation of great art becomes almost an obsession, and as a result, many great artists do forego normal social ties in order to purse their aesthetic muse. On the other hand, you have many great artists who involved their families in what they did and are just as legendary.
    For Adams or Capa or Lange, perhaps their subjects of interest drove them to travel far away in order to capture their vision. On the other hand, if their subjects were their family or friends, the discussion could well be the opposite. True art is driven by the need to create. For some, it can be done without foregoing family, while others need to leave everything behind in its pursuit. And for some, it involved leaving normal behaviour behind and living "in their heads" so to speak.
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    Nov 11 2011: Creating "amazing art" is the opposite of a Faustian bargain. To “strike a Faustian bargain” is to be willing to sacrifice anything to satisfy a limitless desire for power, and hence dominance. Driven by entirely egoistic motives as in being preoccupied with oneself and the gratification of one's own desires; is nothing but self-centered-ness. Working in any field, rooted in egotism, will take such individual away from family's needs. A true artist, is motivated by altruism.