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When will China be free?

What will it take for China to end its human rights abuses? With the burgeoning youth of China becoming acutely aware of the oppressive nature of their government, how long do you think it will take them to change this, or convince the goverment to change? Will it be a revolution like Tunisia or Libya, if so would the U.S. aid the rebels? Will it happen in the next decade or continue to bubble beneath the surface?

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  • Nov 5 2011: Continued #8

    S***, this has been a long essay, because I’m really frustrated by the fact Westerners seems to think Chinese system is so backward. Yet it’s the western system that’s inefficient and dare I to say “non-democratic”, because the elected officials are very much incompetent. Just because you can cast a ballot with a few predetermined choices does not mean it’s a democracy. Democracy means understanding what the people wants and ACT like it. Not just say it. And really the whole system is a marketing show, and those with the deep pocket / most “campaign contributes” will more likely to win because of more air time / advertising etc. People do vote to familiar faces after all.

    So China is as much “free” as the western countries, as long as you place our culture to #1 place you will understand the system.

    Cheers,
    Guang
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      Nov 5 2011: Ni Hao Guang,

      There is a 2000 character limit for a reason. I didn't even read all of your essay ... and, based on the bits I did read, think we probably share similar views.

      Might I recommend "bullet points" the next time you have so much to convey.

      I do appreciate you put "Han" in quotation marks as, I am sure you know, "Han" is essentially a constructed identity - it is made up of many, many different ethnic groups each of which could just as easily identify as something "other than" Han.

      But the point is, identifying as Han has been a very powerful catalyst for China and does form a core precept of its self-image.

      Personally, I would like us to identify as "human;" not Han, American, African, male, female, or Canadian. I do not expect that will happen anytime soon; it is much too "useful" to motivate people "for something" if they can also be pitted "against" something else. Capitalism against socialism. Democrats against Republicans. Good guys against bad guys. Atheists against theists. Han against non-Han. And so on.
      • Nov 5 2011: Hi Thomas,

        Ya I've read most of your posts and I really appreciate a westerner stand up and defend the country. Thank you! I think it definitely takes a person to live in China for a while to really see what's happening and changed since cultural revolution and 1989.

        Sorry for the long post(s), but I'm sure you wrote more than I did lol. Your posts and other people's views motivated me to write something in like an hour. First post here on TED. Fortunately my firm got a huge project for Chinese clients right now (10B+) so lots of my colleagues who visited China are changing their opinion of China from those images imposed upon us by Western Media.

        Regarding the topic of "Han" people,
        I'm Canadian now and I can say I'm proud to be a Canadian and contribute to this society. But "Han" is such a powerful identity among Chinese that it crosses nations. Even the Taiwanese will identify them as "Han" people without question. Indeed "Han" is a constructed identity, constructed from 2000+ years of History. In fact, most educated Chinese today have extensive knowledge about at least last 1000 years of History (especially the bad ones) and a general knowledge of the 2000+ years. Correct me if I'm wrong but same cannot be said about most Greeks, The Persians (Iranians), the Egyptians, and perhaps the Israelis.

        To understand what History to us is, you only need to look at the Holy Bible, which, in part is a History book (hopefully not unintentionally offend anyone).
        Yes. The "Han" concept is effectively a religion, constantly being refined and redefined.

        I'm off topic here but the Point is that IMO the government is only a tool to advance "Han" interest. The current government has done a superb job in this regard, providing the institutions and security. It's exactly the way that a typical "Han" people would want, given that we know what the history looked like in the last 2000+ years, and the projected future.
        This is my definition of "Freedom", not whatever the UN says.
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          Nov 5 2011: Hi Guang,

          Yes, I probably have written more than you ... but I paced my self! (Like an endurance cyclist.)

          I agree, the Chinese government is doing an excellent job of promoting Chinese ideals and values. This, is one of the things "Westerners" have a really hard time understanding. They assume Western values are the only "good" values and anything that does not conform to them must be "bad."

          This is, in itself, a typical Western mindset (polarity, right/wrong, absolutes, etc.) Westerners are usually so immersed in this type of thinking, they cannot even see it.

          Of course, it is not an "Eastern" mindset at all.

          While I was born and raised in the West, I do not consider myself Western. Nor do I consider myself Eastern.

          I think of myself as living (first) and human (second.)

          It's much easier to cross boundaries that way.

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