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Henrik Martenzon

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Is the "does God exist?" question really relevant?

I question whether or not we should abandon the question of gods existence in order to move on from unprovable questions.

I have followed The Four Horsemen (Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, Dennet) on their tour to debunk gods existence.
I was born in Sweden with very little exposure to religion and questions of religion were/are mostly consider rare and obviously stupid. Similar to the question if Santa exist or not.

Now I have witnessed experts in the field (however it is possible to be an expert? didn't Jesus have some sort of copyright on this?) debating each other whether or not truth lies in the existence of god. What difference does it make? The tsunami won't change? Human behavior won't change whether
or not we solve this question with our human reasoning skills. It doesn't prove a thing. We need proof.
Its still only a matter of language construction. "How can something come out of nothing" is just as useless. Unless we realize that language puts a constraint on our cognitive abilities. From science we know that the better vocabulary you have the better you can describe something more accurately and you have a more in-depth cognitive ability. Remember that native snow people can distinguish between many "types" of snowflakes which general population refers to as simple snowflakes.

You have the right to believe in anything. You choose if you want to believe in a supreme being, any of the religions on the table or just make up your own idea. What essentially motivates you is primal needs and after that stimulation of your mind (music, sport, philosophy etc).
This way you can choose to believe in god when things are tough but you don't need to prove his existence to others. Thats what fundamentals do. Leave it.

This way everyone can live as they choose and we can move on to relevant questions.

Please don't respond out of emotional issues or contempt as it tends to disrupt constructive arguments.


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  • Nov 23 2011: Christianity (e.g., "I am the Light of the World" - Gospel of John), Hinduism (e.g. "I know that Great Person of the brightness of the sun beyond the darkness.Only by knowing him one goes beyond death. There is no other way to go." - Svetasvatara Upanishad) , Buddhism (Amitabha Buddha, Buddha of Infinite Light), maintain that "God IS Light".

    Does light exist? Does consciousness exist? Can anyone or anything exist or be conscious without light? The God question being debated on the Internet is largely exclusionary of the theology of "God as Light", yet this definition of God represents the very foundation of major religions. The theistic/atheistic debate seems rather intent on disproving various religions and their sources from a pseudo intellectualism that excludes modern cosmology and contemporary physics.

    The writings of theistic philosophers of the ancient religions contemplate human existence in context of conscious and super conscious experience and observation.

    Despite all attempts, I have found only theistic sources defining God as Light. There are no atheistic (ancient or otherwise) source offering a treatise on light in context of consciousness.

    Further, the (Hindu) contemplative philosophers of these religions elaborate on super consciousness (e.g. Sat Chit Ananda) and merging waking, dream, and deep sleep state consciousnesses into a one concurrent experience via meditation on God (the Light, or His Energy (e.g. OM/AUM/AMEN). In Judeo-Christian the aforesaid transcendental states are represented allegorically. (e.g. Canticles 5:2. I sleep, but my heart waketh)

    It is disingenuous for one to enter a debate about super consciousness, light and consciousness, and the possibility of a Lexis/Lexicon/Logos, i.e, a "DNA of the Universe" coded in "the Big Bang, i.e. Light) with mundane 'flying spaghetti monster' arguments. You as a question, which by definition, is beyond the limited speculative reasoning by the ordinary human mind.

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