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Should Deception truly be looked down upon?
I personally admire the art of deception. Immoral as though it may be, lies have proven themselves incredibly useful over the course of history and, if executed by the right individuals in the right way, can lead to incredible things.
Now, I do not admire the consequences or causes themselves, but the act. If you consider the essential core of deception - manipulating the human mind by deliberately feeding it false information and anticipating a desired result - the feat is astounding. The scenarios surrounding the lie are merely relevant if you are to define the ultimate judgement of the deceptive act.
What I'm trying to say is that I view Deception much like I view Death. The process itself is fascinating regardless of context, but we still mourn the passing of Steve Jobs while celebrating the demise of Hitler. We tend to value that which is lost or gained throughout the process more than the actual act.
Juliette Zahn 50+
Will you tell us some examples of when "lies have proven themselves incredibly useful over the course of history and, if executed by the right individuals in the right way, can lead to incredible things. "
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Juliette Zahn 50+
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griffin tucker 10+
i think society already is evolving into a society where it's impossible to lie. with the advent of social networks, truths are often spread faster than rumour - and it is already becoming more difficult to keep secrets, no matter who you are.
would i be going too far as to say that privacy is slowly becoming a thing of the past?
Menhaj Huda directed a music video that explains the concept of what i am trying to describe very well. a whole new era of (in)fidelity http://vimeo.com/7640501
griffin tucker 10+
if then, it was found that deception is detrimental to a society, how is deception then removed from a society where it already occurs and is not only an accepted way of life, but in some cases necessary to sustain it?
Kareem Fahim
Bit of both I guess. When you deceive someone, it automatically imply that 1)you are an egoist person 2)you are wrong, that's the reason of manipulation you are going to perform
"I find this to be horribly inaccurate. Religion is not based upon evidence and is thus of no use in a rational debate, unless that debate is focused on one of its many branches. Death has been explained in the biological sense, which is what I was referring to in my original argument. Not the Afterlife, but the actual demise of your cells."
I wasn't talking about the cause of death, but the actual concept of death. Maybe the religious point of view irrational for you, but it's rational for me and for billions more(we "irrational" people don't believe that this instantaneous life is all that there is; that's not what we are talking about here tho)... same way, may be, deception is a moral and valid thing to do for some people and not for others.
"I understand what you are trying to convey, but I thought I'd point out that other species use deception as well."
Almost all of us have or will deceive someone during our lives, I guess, in a way of speech it makes it human thing
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So if Harriet Tubman is asked by officials whether she had seen any escaped slaves, does that imply that she is egocentric and a morally inept person?
"we "irrational" people don't believe that this instantaneous life is all that there is; that's not what we are talking about here tho"
Oh dear. I didn't mean to offend you or any other religious person. I merely think that this issue should be debated with rational arguments, and feeding an individual false information so as to achieve a desired outcome doesn't seem irrational to me. Immoral, maybe. But not irrational.
Kareem Fahim
I'm not offended.
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Kareem Fahim
NO. Death is a totally different area. Only Religion explains the death. I loved how Steve Jobs put it : "Death is the greatest invention of life". Deception tho is so much human thing. Almost all of us have or will deceive someone during our lives.
Brittney Stewart
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Kareem Fahim
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Could you please clarify this statement? When you say that they do not need to imply deception, do you mean that they don't have to practice it due to their honesty or that they don't need to justify it due to their benevolent nature?
"Only Religion explains the death. "
I find this to be horribly inaccurate. Religion is not based upon evidence and is thus of no use in a rational debate, unless that debate is focused on one of its many branches. Death has been explained in the biological sense, which is what I was referring to in my original argument. Not the Afterlife, but the actual demise of your cells, the permanent end to your conscious experience.
"Deception tho is so much human thing."
I understand what you are trying to convey, but I thought I'd point out that other species use deception as well.
Frans Kellner 100+
Without deception and corruption which are a bit of the same the world would be a lovely place for everyone.
The life though of your cells as you call them live on even without you. In your children or nephews and nieces they live, and maybe they aren't yours at all but spread by your ancestors to live happy ever after.
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And yet the reality is that our society has incorporated deception into its daily functions. Silencing debates concerning ugly truths is just as horrendous as the tragic reality itself.
"The life though of your cells as you call them live on even without you. In your children or nephews and nieces they live, and maybe they aren't yours at all but spread by your ancestors to live happy ever after."
That's irrelevant. Upon death, your consciousness has diminished and you are no more. Regardless of whether or not future generations carry your personal genome, your conscious experience has ended.