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Happiness

All people want to be happy , no one is happy because we can't be happy , so why strive to be happy ?: this is the most prominent source of pain (the striving) , actually I think is the single one ........... in fact do we have an escape : can we stop striving for happiness ? I don't think so .

What do you think ?

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Now, I think that we all are more aware of what we think about happiness than before this conversation , that's a good start............. good luck everybody.

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    Sep 14 2011: I think happiness without self-responsiblity is an illusion and maybe thats why we never obtain it.
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      Sep 14 2011: You are right only that even this idea of self-responsibility makes us unhappy.
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        Sep 15 2011: what makes the idea into unhappiness?
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        Sep 16 2011: @Colleen
        Yes I agree that it is a choice. I was just curious about Eduard's perception.

        @Eduard
        I think the idea of being reponsible for self means control over your own life.Isnt that good? but its ok if you dont want to share.
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          Sep 16 2011: Sorry ................ 'Isnt that good?' that is good , but in order of controling yourself you would have to fight with yourself , you would have to encourage a possible alternative to another , you will have to make choices and any process of making choices involves pain......and so on : shortly said you would have to suffer : unhappiness. .

          (I talk saying 'you' , not reffering necessarily at you ).
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          Sep 16 2011: Hi Amily,
          I know we are in agreement because of previous discussions and I realize you were trying to get Eduard's perception. Since he was not responding, I thought I'd offer an idea:>)

          Eduard,
          We don't necessarily have to "fight" with ourselves to guide our thoughts and feelings. You are right, however, that being in control of our thoughts and feelings we need to encourage an "alternative". Life does not have to be always painful. Are you ready to consider some other ideas?
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          Sep 16 2011: I'm always ready only that I can't do that now because I think exatcly the opposite : the life is always painful , share me just a little part of life which isn't painful and I'll consider as truth your ideas.
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          Sep 16 2011: Share just a little part of life which isn't painful, and you'll consider my ideas?

          Sharing thoughts, feelings, ideas and opinions with you Eduard, is not painful for me.
          I care about you.
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          Sep 16 2011: Thank you for your care Colleen , I really do but I have to disagree with you : ''Sharing thoughts, feelings, ideas and opinions with you Eduard,'' , it is painful because you do a work, you think , you type : pain in a little measure but it's pain there : otherwise you wouldn't get older .
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          Sep 16 2011: Eduard,
          Trust what I'm saying...I choose to focus on the beauty and pleasure with the communications, rather than pain. That is a choice I make. If communicating with you felt like too much work to think and type, then I would not do it. I am happy and content with the choice I make to communicate with you and others in this discussion.
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          Sep 16 2011: Your choice , i respect it and I agree with it but we have to be aware of the all reality.
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        Sep 18 2011: @Colleen
        thats nice and i hear you speaking with your heart ;)

        @ Eduard
        Yes .Striving for anythings requires efforts which not necessarily makes people feel good about.Feeling good =happiness ?pain=unhappiness?I dont know how you see it.
        (I can understand what it is for you to believe what goes against "your reality" (especially when you used 4 have' tos in a short previous post.)
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          Sep 19 2011: ''Feeling good =happiness ?pain=unhappiness?I dont know how you see it.'' You don't have to know because that isn't what I said , I said that pain causes unhappiness.
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        Sep 19 2011: thanks for clarification.so what you seemed to say so far is that life is always painful and pain causes unhappiness and that why you believe there is no happiness in the world? Is that what you were trying to say?
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          Sep 19 2011: ''...and that why you believe there is no happiness in the world? Is that what you were trying to say?'' not necessarily , yes pain can cause unhappiness if we don't have a proper attitude to it and not : pain stops to be the cause of unhappiness if we have a proper attitude to it . But even if we have that attitude I still don't think that happiness is possible (and this for other reasons : for example the pain is not the single fact which can cause unhappiness) .
          That's what I meant to say shorlty.
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          Sep 22 2011: @ Eduard - How you percieve, matters most, then understanding the causes about those effects would second the thought. Hope you get it right.

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