Angel Angelov

Youth Pastor, The Light of the World Pentecostal Church

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Managing the unseen in people.

Is neglecting or ignoring men's natural spirituality a good idea? In the time of boundless knowledge and incredible prosperity why do we still face stange and even ludicrous events in modern men, fueled by his damaged or underdeveloped spirituality? Is the fact that the spiritual is not seen by our eyes a good enough reason to discard it with mockery or ignore it with unexplainable fear and superstiotion. Why not get to know it better and be complete?

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    Sep 8 2011: The topic of this thread — "Managing the Unseen in People" — worries me. It sounds as if you are asking people to step in an deal with the spiritual pursuits of other people. I would not want to live in one of those countries that thinks it has the duty to do that.

    I prefer the way things are done in most secular countries: if somebody has a spiritual urge they are permitted to pursue it without limitation, as long as they do not harm or unreasonably inconvenience anybody else.

    Some of these countries DO impose an extra limitation: the person is supposedly "safeguarded" from harming themselves. Such countries will, for example, outlaw entheogenic drugs. As long as it doesn't hurt or unreasonably inconvenience other people (and the practice is not imposed on children), I think such limitations are misguided.
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      Sep 8 2011: Dear Mr. Campbell thank you for your input in the middle paragraph. I believe that is the most valuable part of it. This debate is not to impose anything on anyone - just to see the way people understand spirituality. I for one am very curious to talk about that with people from different countries, religions and understandings. So please refrain from making any negative inputs and implications, which are also not in turn with the topic.
  • Sep 8 2011: " Is the fact that the spiritual is not seen by our eyes a good enough reason to discard it with mockery or ignore it with unexplainable fear and superstiotion. Why not get to know it better and be complete?"

    I am curious as to how one can get to know spirituality better if it cannot be observed or even felt?
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      Sep 8 2011: I wondered myself the same thing. when I come to think of it, we often encounter such things in life . Often the existance of such hard to explain things like the spirit of man, are proven by the very fact that what we know is not enough to explain what is around us - therefore we understand there is something we don't know that is at work. Take for instance that very recent article from Popular Science magazine that is an example of the same thing. http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-09/fermilab-we%E2%80%99ll-establish-whether-higgs-exists-or-not-september-30 What I believe is that spirituality is there and we do feel and observe it all the time and put even more accurately - we do feel and observe THROUGH it. We just don't recognize it as such. Do you mind telling us how do you see spirituality, as the idea of the debate is gathering different points of view and enriching our understanding of this a bit abstact topic.
      • Sep 9 2011: Thank you for clarifying this. I think it is great that people experience or use spirituality in their life while respecting each other's unique way of achieving it and not forcing it on others.

        Personally I don't feel I have a specific spiritual feeling or view. Rather in my life I enjoy friends and my family and I am trying to make a positive difference by helping less fortunate as I strongly believe in universal ethics, morality and human rights. I am amazed by the Universe and our social/technological progress but I do not subscribe to any specific spiritual path or religion =)
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          Sep 10 2011: Thank you for that comment. Wow I feel exactly the same way and try to live like that. I guess it is because i was one of those less fortunate people spiritually that now I focus mostly helping with that kind of trouble.
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    Sep 8 2011: That is a great question Allan (if I may). I believe man's spirituality is not part of any religion but a part of the very person. There are so many different understandings. Maybe that is why it is so hard to talk about this topic and be sure you are on the right track. From my experience I believe that just as our natural bodies and our mental abilities it develops as we grow older. Spiritual freedom is of importance just as great as physical freedom and as James Kindler said, it is to be celebrated. I am a Christian but I have become that as a way of escaping serious spiritual problems - it was my remedy. I would not otherwise have become one. I have become aware about many things that helped me recover in the church which changed my way of seeing things and I learned better after that and grew more confident in my spirit I would say. With this conversation I would like to see other people's beliefs and understandings about our spirit and how to keep it healthy and free. There is always something to learn and I enjoy sharing my own experience.
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    Sep 8 2011: Do you attribute man's spirituality entirely to organised religions?
  • Sep 7 2011: Each spirit belongs to the individual to develope in any way they see fit, it is not something to be managed but rather to be celebrated.