Helen Hupe

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Humility..............What do you think it is ?

It occurred to me while listening to the mentioned video, that the person who is compassionate must also be humble. So let us talk about our ideas of what humility means.

Closing Statement from Helen Hupe

How can I pick when there are so many astute observations on the subject of humility ? I have sort of firmed up my definition of humility........."It is the ability to recognize one's proper place in the order of things". But it is impossible to say what you think in one measly sentence. I cannot name all the people who had wonderful contributions to the conversation, but I have to mention Signor Vampa,Jim Moonan, Silvia, Mireila, and on and on. Thank Giselle for introducing the idea that one must not require humility in order to converse with another. That would really be arrogant. Good wishes to all and I hope we meet again.

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    Sep 10 2011: Humility is also accept the world as it is, not as we want to be. Humility is the path to heroism.
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    Sep 6 2011: Humility is a major virtue. Becames from the sense of being soil, from soil or dust. (IN PULVERE REVERTIS) Humility is the real and deep sense to be the whole and the part at the same time. Humility is not for showing cleverness or sharp quotations, like some are done here. Is just the major virtue above all. And exist to be lived without showing humble, but just oneself... is the mirror to contemplate the great light that became from the Divinity.

    (HUMUS...fertile soil in latin= HUMAN....humility = to be as soil waiting the seed from the Grace.
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      Sep 7 2011: Beautiful, very beautiful, sir.
    • Sep 7 2011: " Humility is a major virtue"
      -I think, it is. Humility is the state of being aware. It generates kindness, wisdom and opens your mind.
      Binds you to everything that is, was and shall be.
      Maybe it is a sort of pride on the highest level, free from traps of ego.

      Helen, it's knowing that " I know that I don't know" :-)
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        Sep 8 2011: Natasha..................I think that way too. Thank you for your contribution
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    Sep 9 2011: As this discussion comes to a close, I wish to thank everyone who participated. It was very interesting and helpful to me and I suspect to some others too. There are ways to define humility that I had never thought of before (surprise, surprise lol) I hope we meet again.
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    Sep 3 2011: Good theme. Be humble not means (in my understanding) be reactive, on the contrary, in some cases means that you're open to learn with others things that cannot be assimilated when you are closed to the worlds. In other words humility doesn't means shame but other form to grow learning with others.
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      Sep 5 2011: Fernando...It is so nice to meet people with that particular virtue. You are one of them. Thank you
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    Sep 9 2011: I think that it is simply the realization that one is not the center of the universe and that others not only have feelings but equally valid needs and opinions.
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      Sep 9 2011: As always Debra you always add wisdom.
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      Sep 9 2011: Debra, the Universe has no center and no boundaries or limits. The center concept became from the XIV century in Italy. The concept itself is wrong because infinitum has a center everywhere, Nicolas de Cusa defines it as the extreme aproach to God...when the opposites are one....and humility is the virtue to provide us the strong sense of belonging to the whole and eternal life. In this line of reflections we are souls with a body. Not bodies ...with sosoul? When we are aware of that we are in humility, or in a humble status. When we "feel" proud of something we are alone and far.
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    Sep 7 2011: OK! Here I go: my new found humility would be PURE LOVE. You should learn to love others and accept them for what they are no matter how they feel about you. I had to do it actually two times in my life and I still hadn't managed to achieve it completely.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oHObnP1sGE

    I also think there are some great insights in this topic:
    http://www.ted.com/conversations/2164/how_do_you_open_your_heart_and_1.html
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      Sep 7 2011: Dear Silvia. Indeed...........I had the same problem with someone who decided that I was invisible to them and this person spoke only when directly spoken to. I was angry but then my life coach told me "It is none of your business what anyone else thinks of you" It took the wind out of their sails.
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        Sep 8 2011: Carissima Helen nice metaphor about sailing your own ship...the sailor and sea wisdom is present in all aspects from our lives.

        Il mio rispetto Signora
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        Sep 8 2011: I totally agree and it takes us further away from what we are. :)
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    Sep 7 2011: Humility is what all the major religions are rooted in, the idea of the "golden rule" (although it was figured out to have short comings, the idea is what is championed).

    Don't do to others, what you do not want done to you. - Silver rule

    Christ-like (Christian) is the idea of following Christ (the anointed one) path to enlightenment through humility...

    "Buddha" has two 1. The path of the Buddha to enlightenment 2. Self-Buddha, in which you achieve enlightenment through awareness of self and universe..

    Krishna..

    Humanism is the root of all religions, and at the root of the major schools of philosophies, overall a concern in many belief systems. As you are human, and understanding others, is really understanding yourself. You cannot compare yourself to yourself and achieve happiness... It is impossible. challenges are needed to even start in the direction of emotional enlightenment.

    "Enlightenment" is what religions strive for, and what people trick themselves into following... The "Human Enlightenment" is realizing, there is no "you" or "I".. We are all very similar because we are all biological nearly identical... What makes us different is nurture not nature.. the division of the world today dictates the practice of short sightedness as an universally accepted practice.

    We are our environment (nurture), and we are our set of random personalities (nature). Who you are, was not your choice, who you want to be is. Humanism being the core of every religion is not an accident, because it is at the core of every human. We all want to be civil and respected, but on OUR own terms, must allow more and more terms as to have more and more civility and respect..

    To be humanistic. Practice ignosticism with religion, and practice "live and let live" with the mind set, they want what you want at the beginning and end of the day... the difference lays in the details only. When in doubt "Fake it 'til you make it"

    Momento Mori Helen.
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      Sep 7 2011: Wow Nick.................I was amazed at your post. You have searched and found. I can agree with everything you say and for so young a person as you to be so wise. Haven't seen much of you lately and I hope we see more of you in the future.
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    Sep 7 2011: Carissimo Luigi le parole per la umilita son precise. Auguri a tutti

    Signora Helen congratulations for the subject in this space. All we need a great amount of humility.
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    Sep 5 2011: Knowing that every man and woman is superior to me in some way and I respect them for it.
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      Sep 6 2011: Hi Dr. I realize that some people are more intelligent and have talents I do not and I am glad because I will probably benefit from that. However, I am speaking of essence and I am not better than others nor are others better than me . Smile
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        Sep 7 2011: Everyone has a talent that I don't just as I have my own unique talents. For example, if my car breaks down, I take it to a mechanic. Since the mechanic has a skill that I don't, he is superior to me in that skill and deserves my respect for that fact. I prefer to be humble in those situations rather than try to intellectualize myself into humiliation by trying to fix the car myself. I hope I make some since here.
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      Sep 6 2011: Maybe is not knowing any superiority in others, but in all the human being. Maybe is about feeling more than knowing....and of course the respect is all in humility...(RESPECT....RES PISCERE in latin means" let it grow")

      Humility is a virtue in the realm of soul, not in the desert of knowledge.
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        Sep 7 2011: Well said.
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          Sep 7 2011: I agree with Signor Luigi........Humility is an attitude and has nothing to do with humiliation. If one is truly humble one cannot feel humiliated.
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    Sep 5 2011: "Humility is being able to accept the fact that we don't know everything."

    With this, we learn to listen to others. We learn to respect other people's ideas and thoughts. We learn to appreciate all things that we see as beautiful (Yes, this is subjective as it varies individually). We learn to be in awe. There are a lot of things that we will be able to learn if we remain humble.
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    Sep 5 2011: Allowing other's to beat one's own drum instead of self beating own drum .... to me thats the simpliest expression of humility Helen........

    Some discussion are there in the following thread ....

    http://www.ted.com/conversations/4937/does_humility_have_value.html?c=304233
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      Sep 5 2011: Thank you Salim.........I was not aware of that.
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      Sep 7 2011: Thanks, Salim. :) I was going to propose the same discussion to be taken into account! It was a great one! But one shall never be tired of talking about humility and we shall rediscover it every day.
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    Sep 5 2011: For me humility is one of those times that we see : We are not that worthy to overlook others while no one is worthier than ourselves to feel pathetic Everyone has good and bad times so we shouldn't stuck with memories for ever. We should live each day as a new adventure.
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      Sep 5 2011: Eckhardt Tolle would agree with you and so do I.
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    Sep 5 2011: Hi Helen, there was a similiar thread going on a while ago. I 'll need to say it again that humility as i understand it is to recognize that we as human beings are the basically the same (we cry when we feel sad , we ony believe what makes sense to us ..ect )and that nobody is better than others which goes against whats called the sense of superiority based on what one has ,knows or believes.
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      Sep 5 2011: I did not know about the other thread but I am glad for you to grace this one with your wisdom.
  • Sep 3 2011: Dear Helen
    I saw humility when my teacher listen to my wrong ideas with smile, keeping silence when a child tries explain a simple fact of life. I saw humility when a noble man teaches gravity to his grand children by playing with ball. humility is a great leader follows his people idea when his is different.
    I think humility is something really great which creates just in big hearts and a few people have it.
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      Sep 3 2011: Asra......These are some very good examples. Thank you for participating
  • Sep 3 2011: I'd say that humility is the guardrails that keep compassion in check. Get beyond humility's boundaries and compassion becomes self-serving. If I'm interested in empire-building then my actions are motions with direction but no heart or concern for others.
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    Sep 9 2011: Humility..... The ability to admit AND feel good about the fact that existence on earth is not to be understood as much as it is to be accepted as worthwhile for what it is - a journey. Humility is somethinmg you achieve. A kind of "the more you know the less you know" mentality that is both humbling and liberating.
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      Sep 9 2011: You definitely have to be ok with unknowing and it is such a feeling of freedom when one accepts this. Doggonit, why didn't I think of this ? Thank you Jim
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        Sep 10 2011: We all know it, deep inside. But sometimes it takes a lifetime to feel comfortable with unknowing... Thanks for asking the question!
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          Sep 10 2011: Jim....Can't give thumbs up but if I could I would.
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    Sep 9 2011: Natasha when you discover something that you "know, that you dont know" the intuition is present. Then the experience is real knowledge to be. INTUITERE...the inner tutor. The real teacher that guides you to the wisdom that already exists in you.
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      Sep 9 2011: Signore Luigi......Well said, sir. It is so difficult to explain that concept and this is indeed the best explanation that I have seen. Again , I appreciate you input.
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    Sep 8 2011: or even better, to step back from yourown place and time and consider the world from another point of view
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    Sep 8 2011: the ability to see yourself in all things and all things in yourself.
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    Sep 7 2011: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humility

    I think I agree with Wiki on this account...
    "the quality of being modest, and respectful"

    Meaning you don't pretend to be bigger/better than you are, and that, even when superior on some grounds, you don't make other people miserable because of it.

    Other than that: Nicholas made a good contribution.
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    Sep 5 2011: Humility means inviting as little attention to oneself as possible, yet being selflessly driven by whatever form of compassionate service to mankind one can find -- which, perhaps, excludes most of the TED community, who are often imbued with laudable ideas of being useful. Mother Teresa would not have been a Tedster or an autobiographer!
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      Sep 5 2011: Mr. Patel..........I have noticed the absence of some frequent posters...Perhaps they will come. But you and a great many others have contributed their wisdom here.
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    Sep 5 2011: As I said in the other thread on this topic: humility is defining yourself in terms of the other ("not better than", "low view of one's importance", etc.).

    For me, humility is irrelevant.

    I don't require it in others - I can engage with people in the absence of a hierarchy.
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      Sep 5 2011: I don't require humility in others either but respect is something I TRY to always have for everyone. Being human I don't always accomplish my goal. But for sure , humble people are a lot easier to deal with
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        Sep 5 2011: And as I also pointed out in the original thread, how humble is it to prescribe how others should live their lives?

        That's the irony of espousing humility as a way of life for all.
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          Sep 5 2011: I don't prescribe humility for everyone. It works for me and I am interested in what other people think. It is arrogant to prescribe a certain life stance for someone else. I think it
          is rather unpleasant to be around "know it alls" (:>)
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        Sep 6 2011: Ah, but that is your perception and your desire of who to spend time with. I would take a brilliant arrogant person over the sweetest, most humble dimwit any day. (And no, I am not implying that any pairing automatically go hand-in-hand. I would simply prioritize intelligence far above humility in a companion.)
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          Sep 6 2011: Hi Gisele, That is your perogative. Go for it Smile
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    Sep 5 2011: "True modesty is the source of all virtues" Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
    ¿Humility=Modesty?
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      Sep 5 2011: Kareem......We can agree on that Modesty these days seems to be associated with sexuality but it goes far deeper than that. Thank you for participating.
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    Sep 5 2011: Humility is seeing clearly.
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      Sep 5 2011: Thank you for a well taken point.
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    Sep 5 2011: Humility is a modest or low view of one's own importance - a lack of pride .
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      Sep 5 2011: Ehis,,,,Coud I add that one should lack in inordinate pride. I understand what you mean.
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        Sep 5 2011: I agree with you Helen . . It’s a type of false-pride as opposed to pride
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    Sep 5 2011: Humility for me, is knowing that you don't know something and it is ok!

    Humility is also being in reverance in the presence on a beautiful sunset.

    Humility is knowing there is a greater power, for me, I call it : GOD and the fruit of that humility of the ''fear'' of the Lord is prosperity, glory and life.

    Peace!
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      Sep 5 2011: Wonderful, Mirelle. I am ok with not knowing too. And figuratively I stand in awe of beautiful music, nature in all it's glory and scientific discoveries which transform lives. I am so in awe of what I call God too. I used to think I was very smart but now I realize that I am but a spark of thar Divine Fire.
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        Sep 5 2011: Thank you Helen !

        You know what, believing that you were very smart is quite important, but you just did not know HOW MUCH you were...until you stood in awe and accept that Divine Fire!!!

        Peace Helen !
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    Sep 5 2011: I feel someone else might be more qualified than me to write about this. 'I don't know' is my answer.
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      Sep 5 2011: Dear Gerald....You don't have to have any qualifications to answer ths except being human. I would appreciate your input. You will not be scorned
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