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What beliefs are we born with if any?

When we're children we're brought up to aspire to own a car, house, be married, and have children of our own one day. Would these thoughts occur if we weren't brought up in a family setting or knowing what these amenities were? Is it programmed in our minds in the womb or do we learn it? Nature vs. Nurture.

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    Aug 25 2011: We are born knowing that we are helpless and dependent on others.
  • Aug 26 2011: Child in the Womb
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHsnBTNBGiQ

    i think , We are programmed the same way our parents were programmed. Its amusing seeing people considering nature as something seperate from then, when the fact is we are nature.
  • Aug 26 2011: according Koran when human is born does not know anything:
    http://tanzil.net/#16:78

    it was amazing for me because I was thinking a baby at least knows how to suck milk from mother. so I was thinking why Koran say such thing?!
    one day I asked this my wife. and she said a new baby does not know this. the mother should moving jaw of baby and training baby then baby learns how to suck milk.

    all babies are born believers in one God but parents make children in different religions.
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      Aug 26 2011: Hi man , you don't let the Koran out of your thoughts at all , do you? :) .
      • Aug 26 2011: Hi and salute,
        first wisdom then Koran.
        both together
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      Aug 27 2011: SR, "according Koran when human is born does not know anything:"
      koran is written by a human. it is nothing special.

      "all babies are born believers in one God but parents make children in different religions"
      no. babies are spoon fed to believe in a particular God.
      • Aug 27 2011: "koran is written by a human."
        who is that human?
        until now in 1400 no human claimed is writer of Koran. Muhammad (PBUH) was a uneducated and did not write anything in his life (this is clear in history). and also never claimed Koran is from himself. he only said Koran and other people wrote it on skin and bones of animals. he could not write anything.
        • Sep 24 2011: S.R. Ahmadi, I am interested in your intent in using the acronym PBUH. I realize that this means "Praise be upon him", but what do you mean when you say that? Are you exhorting the reader to praise Muhammad, or are you asking Allah to praise him, or are you simply offering your own praise? And why should Muhammad be praised? You said that he just spoke the words, whidh were actually written down by literate people. Why shouldn't the literate people be praised? Without them the words of the Koran would have been passed down only by oral tradition, which would probably have introduced errors.
        • Sep 24 2011: S.R. Ahmadi, "det ted" said "koran is written by a human. it is nothing special" and your replay focused on the fact that Muhammad was illierate. You appear to be dodging "det ted"'s point that the Koran was made up by one or more human beings. (Of course the same can be said for the Torah or the Christian bible or any other religious text.) Do you have any answer to "det ted"'s point?
      • Sep 24 2011: Dear Carlin Covey,
        your questions are off topic here. you can open new topic and invite me there. sorry.
        lots of my comments are removed.

        also please read here about Koran::
        http://www.ted.com/conversations/3789/proving_koran.html
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      Sep 24 2011: "according Koran when human is born does not know anything:"


      fine; then according to me...

      everything a seed needs to become a tree is contained within it.
      if you plant a tomato tree..then become impatient with it after 2 weeks...and start screaming at it and stomp on it yelling 'THIS IS NOT A TOMATO TREE' it probably wont grow up big and strong.

      likewise; a soul knows all there is to know..and if you become impatient with it after 2 weeks and teach it all its life 'YOU DON'T KNOW YOU NEED TO LEARN' it'll probably think it doesn't know.

      thats why i say; life is not a school. nothing to learn. have only to remember what you already know.
      but don't believe me, go with whatever you know. because you don't need to believe me to know what you know.
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    Aug 24 2011: genetics would lead one to seek food, water and safety. from birth i think the only belief you have is that woman or man thats holding you is the most important thing in the world.

    so for all that shiz you mentiond, STUFF. no, thats just bad parenting.
    • Aug 25 2011: What's bad parenting?
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        Aug 25 2011: teaching your kids to think they need, or should want, anything other than love and care for the world.

        its needs like that thats start wars and kill people everyday.
        • Aug 25 2011: If you are taught to love and care only for the world, when other people start loving it in a way you do not approve, that is the beginning of conflict.

          Can't we just teach kids to keep their hands and toys in their own sandbox?
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    Sep 24 2011: The worst idea in all of psychology is the idea that the mind is a blank slate at birth. – Jonathan Haidt (TED 2008)

    We are born with certain "propensities" some of them are specific (suckling) some general (ability to learn.)

    Parts of our brain are fully developed at birth (i.e. amygdala) some are not (lots of it) - the result is we tend to relate on an "emotional level" to our environment before we can learn to "think."

    Beliefs of the kind you mention are beyond the scope of an infant's mind. Beliefs of any kind require thought processes that, again, are beyond the scope of an infant's mind.

    We do have innate desires. Desires for food, warmth, contact, homeostasis, and so on - these are too basic and fundamental to be called beliefs.

    It's much more complicated than can be answered in 2000 characters.
  • Sep 24 2011: mhh interesting topic. I think that babies already had the time to learn stuff while they are in their mother's womb. So as they are born, I don't think we can say they really don't know anything at all. During pregnancy, if you talk with the baby, if you "play" with him, there's already an interaction, and from all social interactions there's something to learn.

    I guess babies are born "optimistic", If something feels wrong or uncomfortable, the baby is going to cry. It means the baby expects his crying to attract attention, he believes he's gonna get help. Also, very quickly, babies develop a keen sense of justice and equity, if you treat a baby unfairly, he's quickly gonna let you know his disagreement.

    Haha! A lot of people claim that babies are all innocent and pure, but when you think about it, babies are the most ego-centered, selfish and impatient people ever! You oppose nurturing against nature, but I believe nurturing is part of nature's program, and that not only bad things get into their brains through nurturing.
  • Sep 24 2011: Any beliefs that babies have when they are born would more properly be called instincts. Babies do have quite a number of instincts that assist in their survival. Babies instinctly know how to breath and to suck (S.R. Ahmadi's anecdote notwithstanding) and to smile when they recognize a face, and to cry when they need adult assistance.

    Later we develop other wants and learn techniques to try to satisfy those wants. Many off those wants and techniques are indeed learned from our peers and parents.
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    Sep 1 2011: No beliefs
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    Aug 25 2011: We are human beings with some humanistic needs ............that's all.
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    Aug 25 2011: It is all nature. The only difference is in culture, as now someone that wants a car would have centuries ago rather a good horse or camel.
    • Aug 25 2011: i believe it's nurture. it's how you're brought up and that forms your beliefs.
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        Aug 25 2011: You're right about your beliefs but that's why they're beliefs in the first place. The drives that make someone act are shaped by nature. The beliefs of let's say a Hun for some 1600 years were very different from ours but they met the same needs.
        If someone believes in heaven and hell after life it is nurture but the sense of being eternal is natural. Ask any child. But if someone believes this not to be true it is nurture that overrides nature and that's a conflict.
        Beliefs can take any form but drives are the same all over.