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If someone is a good person without believing in god only good choices. Does that make them better or worse in the eyes of god?
Because if im a good person by choice and i don't need to read the bible to do so doesn't that mean that im just naturally a good person and as such should i not be able to go to heaven (or any equivalent for the differ religions) or would I still be damned.
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James Kindler 20+
James
dingle mcringleberry
You make the decision you want to. No matter what people say, everything you do, your brain decides on that action. That is the right decision.
Adolf Hitler thought he was making the right decision by exterminating jews. Now it's a pretty horrible idea, but to him it made perfect sense.
His thoughts and ideas were a product of his environment. He can not be judged by anyone. He is not a bad person, nor a good person. He is just another human being.
Drink the haterade if you must. Hold on to your theistic belief like it's your child dangling over a cliff.
Debra Smith 200+
I can and must judge the actions of Hitler. I can and must judge your potential to screw up the world that my kids and I live in. We live in one world that we have to share.
dingle mcringleberry
But do you think Hitler's actions are "wrong", do you think he understood his own evil?
And if we want to talk about "screwing up" let's talk about the animals our (i'll do some judging myself now, to maybe help give you some perspective) horrible species has killed. We've obliterated many ecosystems.
But we did it, because our brains chose to.
Why don't we talk about the genocide men commit every time they masturbate.
Or what about that kid down the street who stomps out ants.
Everyone judges differently, obviously it's not genocide, that kid isn't that bad he doesn't know any better, etc. These are simple explanations.
Although much more extensive, there is an explanation for hitler as well.
Jim Moonan 30+
Consider the likely possibility that you don't know much. because you don't - yet. But keep plugged into TED and be willing to be wrong and you'll do fine. Oh and one more thing - When Debra talks, listen! :}
Prakar Jeevan
In my opinion,
One of the main characteristics of a good person, is one
a) Who eats what is required for living and not for taste
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
if a human not believe in God and do good in life at Judgement day can not claim reward for good deeds and if so the reply of God will be:
you did goods for yourself not for me. you received your reward in world like money/respect/prestige/salary and so on. you did not for me to I reward you. you received your reward and not you not creditor.
http://tanzil.net/#66:6
also please note it is impossible a human not have a God.
what you obey is your God. even yourself.
if you obey science your God is science. if obey stomach its your God. and if some one obey wishes of himself his "self" is his God:
http://tanzil.net/#25:43
and God promised forgives all sins unless association with Him:
http://tanzil.net/#4:48
det ted
which God are you talking about? are you talking about sub-human God? A greater God sees only your good deeds and good action. nothing else.
"also please not it is impossible a human not have a God."
may be. but there are better Gods than Allah.
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
"which God are you talking about?"
I said before I am talking of Islam God as known in Koran.
God does not ACCEPT any kind of good deeds.
for example please reply:
your god does accept this as a good?:
if some one steal money from a rich and give it to a poor does your God accept it as a good deed or not?
also if some one does not believe in God so why do good? what is meaning of good without God? perhaps you say if some do good we will have a better society. OK so living in a better socity is reward of that human. any reply to this question (why we should do good deeds?) is the reward of goods and so why should reward again when he have received the reward before? its like you work one and get salary twice.
"are you talking about sub-human God?"
no a creator of human
"A greater God sees only your good deeds and good action. nothing else."
no God see both goods and bads. but only ACCEPT goods done for God not goods done by a human for himself (not for God).
its like a worker come and work in your home without you have asked him work for you and then he ask wage from you. why you reply? especially when you did not have any need for that work.
"but there are better Gods than Allah."
I want that God. what/who is it?
det ted
i also said before that i'm talking about Lord Brahma as known to everybody.
"God does not ACCEPT any kind of good deeds."
thats your God. my God knows exactly whats on your mind. so that ex: God know exactly what was the intention of stealing and he decides it is good or bad.
"also if some one does not believe in God so why do good? what is meaning of good without God?"
tomorrow if you know there is no God, do you run around stealing, raping and killing people?
"no a creator of human"
only human creates God.
"no God see both goods and bads. but only ACCEPT goods done for God not goods done by a human for himself (not for God)."
there is no way of knowing it. Define God first plz.
"its like a worker come and work in your home without you have asked him work for you and then he ask wage from you. why you reply? especially when you did not have any need for that work."
needs are for human and sub human. God is not what you think.
"I want that God. what/who is it?"
read Upanishads an d Bhavad Gita.
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S.R. Ahmadi 20+
I am 100% sure with no doubt THEY ARE IN HELL. GOD IS OBVIOUS. EXISTENCE PROVES GOD. GOD NEVER MISSED TO BE FOUND.
usually people interpret "in the eyes of god?" as they like for example saying God loves all the same is a big lie.
the only way is asking God himself and not talking instead of God.
and so we should communicate God.
the only claims of God and Hell and Heaven is made by prophets. (like Moses, Jesus, Muhammad PBUT)
the only prophet there is access to his sayings certain is Muhammad (PBUH) because about Jesus (PBUH) there is not certanty that today Bible is exactly same as what Jesus (PBUH) himself said and there is no guarantee some parts of is not removed during history by enemies of God.
I consider Koran as word of God and if Koran is not word of God so there is no worry for Hell because at Judgement day I can claim and say God: you did not proved me that you exist and you did not warn me certain about Hell and God is not cruel.
so if we consider Koran word of God then Koran says for being good and for good deeds to be accepted by God there is some prerequisites (like minimum requirements) and without them how much good deeds you do they are not
ACCEPTED.
the min requirements are:
1- witness that God is only one. believing in more than God is not forgivable:
2- witness that Muhammad (PBUH) is messenger of God.
each people are for a prophet and should follow a prophet.
in eyes of God, God gifted human wisdom and free will (not important free will evolved or not. any way God gifted and evolving is kind of creation) and so human has the duty to seek truth and find God and try to meet God.
now we all are people of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) but if some one is Christian and do enough seek but not find Islam, Christianity is accepted from him. but enough seeking is needed.
http://tanzil.net/#39:53
http://tanzil.net/#2:62
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Jacob Miller 10+
Renzo Bruni
As long as religious sects have a patent on morality, each will condemn the others, and vaunt itself. It is part of the first law of sociology: once established, any corporation, group, movement, society, or belief system adopts as its de facto (not de jure) Prime Directive "Self Perpetuation". This accounts for the self perpetuation schemes of belief systems, with arrogance, superiority, claims of divine (therefore correct, righteous, unique) endowment and support.
Until morality becomes non religious, secular and totally pervasive, we will not have unity and peace. To get there we must co-operate on feeding, educating, caring for and caring about everyone else, because it is the right thing to do, not because someone heard a voice or had a dream.
Frans Kellner 100+
If you follow your heart and only do that what feels good you can be sure that you partake in creation which is love.
Curtis Page
Come on people...really? Is that the hatred your Gods teach? Then your Heaven could be my Hell.
Also we prey for God to support us and screw the other guy God created through the miracle of life, wether it be sports, war, or a job interview.
Good people are good people as good people, and thier good deeds amplify thier worth.
Also people put good people in a position to do horrid things (Sometimes it takes a good person with a gun to deal with a bad person with a gun).
Love, hate, love, hate? Man has created so many mixed messages with religion.
All I know is that I enjoy living for so many reasons and try to enjoy them with other people around me, but don't f*ck with me...AMEN! :-)
P.S. Why would a person who does not believe even worry...Or do you?
Muhammad Aizat Zainal Alam 30+
Matthieu Miossec 100+
Matthieu Miossec 100+
anthony bruni 30+
Renzo Bruni
Renzo Bruni
The only concept of GOD that I have ever been able to conceptualize at all, under any circumstances, even when I was a child in Catholic school, was something similar to the Hindu Vedaantist concept of Brahman: the unknowable, unphysical, untouchable, unreachable, uninterested essence of the consciousness of the universes (multiverses if you will).
Unknowable! Plus which, I simply do not believe. I have no faith. End of story.
Nate Thiessen
Matthieu Miossec 100+
I am sure that a being with infinite supplies of wisdom could understand that one book written a few thousand years ago isn't much to go by. Yes, you could go on about faith, but if faith requires faith you're screwed if you don't have it in the first place.
Debra Smith 200+
Taking up his reasoning, I realize that I cannot be more compassionate, more understanding or more caring than God so I cannot imagine a universe where it is OK to hate gay people, to kill women who are raped in the city who did not call out loudly enough or many other tenents of a written book.
I still love the sense of God that said "With all of your getting get understanding, with all of your getting get knowledge." or "when you see your neighbour's oxcart in a ditch do not turn away pretending that you do not see his distress". Until I get to a better understanding of 'God' I will continue to love the attributes that I percieve of God: Justice, mercy, wisdom, love.
Tim blackburn 30+
Ryan Persaud
P.S. If i offend anyone by this it is not my intention to do so and i apologize in advanced.
Nate Thiessen
Tim blackburn 30+
Prove:
Demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument
i think best we can do is give our opinion and to live by it.
Matthieu Miossec 100+
Ryan Persaud
Frans Kellner 100+
There is a nice tale about heaven and hell.
There was once a samurai who wanted to learn the difference between heaven and hell. He sought until he found a master from whom he thought he could learn. He stood before the Master and asked him what was the difference between heaven and hell. The Master took the samurai’s sword and, turning it to the flat of the blade, struck the samurai on the head. The samurai was surprised at this but chose to ignore it. He thought that the Master had failed to understand his question. He once again asked the Master about the difference between heaven and hell. Again the Master struck the samurai on the head. The samurai staggered back and puzzled over this. He approached with his question for a third time and, before he could utter a word, the Master struck him a third time. The samurai was now so enraged at this behaviour that he grabbed his sword from the Master, raised it over his head and was prepared to bring it down on the Master’s head when the Master raised one finger and the samurai paused.
"That is hell," said the Master.
The samurai was instantly so overcome by the courage of this frail old man - to have risked his life for the sake of a stranger’s question - that he fell to his knees and bowed before the Master.
"That is heaven," said the Master.
Louis Denova
P.S. I was also told that if I didnt belileve in Him that I wouldnt be seen by him. most likely implying I would go to hell.
Chris Aldon 20+
Kent Spencer 10+
Tim blackburn 30+
Tim blackburn 30+
anthony bruni 30+
Tim blackburn 30+