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Do you have “Patience”?

Second of those 16 Guidelines ... ‘humility’ generated good discussion

What does ‘patience’ mean to you?

Does it rate highly in your personal attributes?

Is it an antidote to anger?

Is it a quality that would benefit; a sensible guideline for life?

Poems, links, antidotes or humour are all greatly appreciated!

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Miuch thanks everyone for you valuable input, especially Dara! Eric seems to have deleted his very worthwhile contribution? Thanks TED for the forum.

Most of us admit 'patience' is a challenge ... those with patience could have given us a few more clues ... oh well that's another conversation I suppose.

It was fun ...

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  • Aug 24 2011: I have a lot of patience.
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    Aug 19 2011: Patience is synonymous with tolerance. I'm lucky to be on the path of learning to achieve it. I used to be a very impatient person but I found out that good things come to those who can wait - it just makes you appreciate them even more. What I know for certain is that whatever has to happen it will inevitably happen and I can't change much in other but I can surely try to change my viewpoint and see if it fits me. :)
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    Aug 19 2011: Hello. I am the Borrah... the world's most patient man.
    I believe this qualifies me to answer all three questions!

    Does it rate highly in your personal attributes? - Yes

    Is it an antidote to anger? - Yes:
    Few things anger me as I have too much patience. Except for one thing... Stupidity is patience kryptonite. It makes me loose all my patience.

    Is it a quality that would benefit; a sensible guideline for life? - Yes:
    There are people depending on my patience right now. It's quite annoying. All to often find myself saying "why didn't you just wait?" Just before I offer my assistance.
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      Aug 19 2011: Borrah, that's impressive ... most Patient man - how did you get there? Was it natural or did it take a lot of work?

      Understand the 'stupidity' being kryptonite bit ... that takes lots of work as each of us have very different qualities and are at very different levels of evolvement.
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        Aug 19 2011: lol, I'm not quite sure!

        I'm just "highly aware" that most obstacles can be overcome at some point.

        I suspect that it is intrinsic. Despite my numerous testimonies I don't think I've ever convinced anyone to wait for anything! lol.
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    Aug 17 2011: patience is being able to wait for something to happen, or wait to receieve something, i guess. i've got next to none. although if you consider patience to be thinking calm in a tough situation... i can do that, for the most part. of course some things i can wait for, but if it's important or exciting, i just get antsy and unhappy about it not happening sooner.
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      Aug 18 2011: Thanks for your honesty Sterling ... appropriate name you have there!
  • Aug 17 2011: A Sufi Poem
    At surface speck of light,
    in depth the Sun we are.

    Soul, Holy Spirit blew
    through Miriam we are.

    From the chalice of Sun
    every morning we get drunk.

    Drunkard’s of the spirit of patents
    like Jesus we are.

    If foe is serpent
    the white hand of Moses we are.

    If deluge be the whole world
    the Arc of Noah we are.

    O’ pyest one, your can’t se us
    with your earthly eyes.

    Look through your inner eye
    and see what Souls we are.
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    Aug 17 2011: Patience means for me to understand life is something truly complex and valuable that should be understood (or "better understood") and accepted as a unique and individual-related experience, which brings me to say I try to keep my pace for me and everyone I comprehend (or try) and care about.
    It is not actually hard when you believe -and I don't say that as blabbering!
    I am human, get stressed, suffer, have fights, get sad... And still, people and things emote me, help me, make me believe. I try, even when it is hard. Right now, I'm going to try, and for the third time in a particular matter, I am going to bring peace, comprehension and good sense or, at least, I hope. I believe it's worth trying, because no harm can be made to me, for I have prepared myself to be sensible and sensitive, not weak, insecure and disbeliefed.

    For me, this is a matter of conscience. Am I aware? What is it worth living for? Am I still learning? Am I still questioning myself?
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      Aug 18 2011: Well said Renato - healing situations is important and while ever we breath we can make a difference! I sincerely believe that and you are on your way to making a difference to others just by sharing - thank you.
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    Aug 17 2011: Was about to answer same like Krisztian & Birdia , but as trying to practicing patiece , thought a bit and answering then

    No one has patience 100% time that what I feel.....
    For me ,
    To Injustice, tyranny ,dishonesty, hypocrisy Zero patience

    Trying practicing patience as that helps to have better plan to fight those
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      Aug 17 2011: See, with a little bit of patience you came up with your usual 'wise' answer - thanks Salim!
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    Aug 17 2011: Patience means that you can afford to be calm and think straight despite being in a disastrous situation.

    Is it an antidote to anger?
    Frankly,no.It just makes the next time I go mad even worse.One way or another,we need to release our anger somewhere.In my case, ablution and praying seems to be the proper antidote for anger.

    "Verily, with every difficulty there is relief." Qur'an 94:5-6

    Have a nice day!
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      Aug 17 2011: Great antidote for anger my friend ... let's hope others have as constructive outlets!
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      Aug 17 2011: Keeping calm always helps me thinking straigh(ter), and I find myself in situations in which I'm wrong, but calmness helps me figuring out where I'm doing it wrong, and when I have clarity, it also helps me finding easier ways to communicate and promote peace.
      When people try to get me off balance, I feel biologically, heavenly, "whateverly" gifted, because I find many times very easy to find a way out if I persuade myself this is a better choice... And things actually work better, it doesn't matter who is involved. No harm is caused, because I use my capacities to add. I'm glad I am how I am, what I am; I'm glad for what I know, what I'm able to do, how I feel and what I can improve through the tools I own (my body, my communication skills, my respected individuality)
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    Aug 17 2011: Patience is the flower that do not grow in every man's garden.....
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      Aug 17 2011: True Dara thanks for joining in, does it grow in your garden?
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        Aug 18 2011: I've alway been surronded by this question.....and once my elder brother pointed that I'm quite impatient.
        He helped to overcome impatience .
        He suggested that whenever u get impatient just close your eyes for a while and just tell your self " be patient ...have patience"

        Similarly most of the time I fail to completely answer exam question paper and run short of time as my writing speed is quite less and my brother suggested that just close your and say to yourself " I will complete the paper in time" 5 to 10 times just before answering the exam paper ...
        I follwed the suggestion and to my surprise it really works ...and now I always complete my exams in given time and sometimes even early.

        Same was the case with me in sports as I used to get nervous soon.....I always used to take part in running in school days bt always failed to get first position..most of the time I was second or third in the competion.
        One day my sports teacher came to me and asked why dont come first and I said " Perhaps the person who came first runs faster than me". But he shouted at me and said " No, that person is not faster than bt ur nervousness makes u slow."
        Next day during the practice he asked us to come individually on the track and complete 100 m as fast as possible ..Meanwhile he noted our time of completion with stopwatch bt he didn't disclose our timings to us. After some times rest he called me and said " wolud u like to know who has taken the least time to complete 100m ".I replied " oh yes sir." at which he smiled and said " thats u.. and u r faster than others bt when u r in competition u get nervous and bcoz of this nervousness u fail to come first "
        I understood what my Sir wanetd to explain...in the next race i just focussed on the race without getting nervous abt the results ...and this time DARA SINGH came first.
        So then I realise that its 'our mind ,our thought,our will ' that are to be controlled and to be moulded in right direction to achieve something
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          Aug 18 2011: Well said Dara, the perfect illustrations to demonstrate your very worthy conclusion ... it is our mind, our thoughts and will power that get us through! Sorry you had to learn the hard way but glad you respected your brother and teacher enough to listen and learn! Well done!

          PS Thanks for saving me asking Salim that question - I am keen to hear his answer.
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      Aug 18 2011: Hi Dara , I feel it grows in everyone's garden, number or variety of flowers differs only
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        Aug 18 2011: So my dear friend Salim as Kate aked "what variety of flower are growing in your garden"?
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          Aug 18 2011: Some of the varieties are
          While with any kid
          Someone trying to come up with new idea
          Someone trying to learn something new
          Whatever wife says , I show patience like anything, otherwise ............:)
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        Aug 18 2011: Then I'm very sure you will have a long and very happy marriage Salim lol.... You would enjoy Alan Pease's books on communication, but maybe you're already there.
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          Aug 18 2011: Keeping fingers crossed .............:)
          I will check Alan Pease definitely , might be lot insight there.

          You must be knowing already, best way of remembering birthday of wife by an husband , is just forgetting once ................:D

          With all patience I never forgot being very poor in remembering numbers though...lol
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      Aug 17 2011: Thanks for being honest Eric ... is it a quality you'd like to work on?
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      Aug 17 2011: I wish ... I am still working on it too .. although I don't explode/erupt as often or as long now. Maybe that is progress? It's just persistent effort I think, but one needs very strong motivation.

      What are your other flaws? I might have better suggestions for them.
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          Aug 18 2011: Hi Eric you sound like most people I know ... nothing new there ... pity your partner though. Guess you leave the toilet lid up too ... and please use a glass lol.

          Very glad the strengths and likableness arose for you - I certainly appreciate your honesty and especially your sense of humour. My suggestion: keep working on those and the rest will fade into insignificance before you know it!
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          Aug 18 2011: Hi Eric reflection on your list indicates that none of those flaws mentioned make you a menacing monster to society. None are illegal ... but you did give me open right to comment, yes?

          Firstly, parenting is tough at any time, so might help relationships if you hold back the comments about child-rearing to your brothers ... unless you have already bought up several ‘perfect’ kids already!

          Next, and I don’t care what your story is ... I’ve heard them all, without your parents YOU wouldn’t be alive today! They ‘created’ you; fed and educated you – okay so they may have made a few mistakes but who doesn’t? Life is too short and parents are too valuable ... please go and fix it up?

          Having said that ... you sound perfectly normal to me – they and you did a great job! And a bit more ‘patience’ all round would benefit most of those listed flaws ... patience to untie the shoes, get the glass, tolerate people slow getting to the point ... etc. What do you reckon?
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      Aug 17 2011: Same here as Eric, so I won’t repeat that :) To my surprise others find me patient although I don’t feel myself to be. So I have worked at it and have become better (giving myself a pat on the shoulder here :) mostly by keeping this in mind: Wherever you are, be there totally, embrace it & enjoy it. If you’re not happy with it…change it or remove yourself from the situation.
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    Aug 17 2011: answer to the title question:

    short answer: no
    long answer: noooooooo
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      Aug 17 2011: What a pair of comedians!
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      Aug 24 2011: Me either.

      I have come to the conclusion that I would much rather just escape from the people who require me to count to ten rather than be patient with them. Life is too short to squander it with people who annoy me.

      As for patience in terms of waiting for something, yes.