Erol Toksoy


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Why cant we create high quality music anymore just like we did in 70's 80's and 90's ?

Maybe TED community will disagree with me on this but I strongly believe that music of our era lacks the originality and genuineness of the previous decades. Not particularly Rock Music but also pop and even folk music is getting more disposable every day.

What do you think on this? do you have any idea on specific causes and what can we do to prevent or turn back good old days of music?

When will we listen new Depeche Mode, Led Zeppelin, Beatles, Nirvanna or Michael Jackson? When and how will Madonna be better than her 80's version?

Do copyright violations have an affect on this?

Did mainstream media and its profit policies took us down here?

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    Aug 17 2011: I suspect that music, like modern art, no longer comes from the emotional part of the artist's mind. Art and music seems to be attuned to a commercial agenda, rather than a represntation of genuine human 'soul'.

    Bands like Kings of Leon for instance, start out with one - maybe two - albums that are wonderful, gritty, straight-from-the-heart albums of pure personal artistic value- ie "Youth and Young Manhood". Once the record companies get a hold on the band's musical direction (entirely for commercial ends), the music then becomes insipid, populist and the band then becomes a shadow of its former creative self. Notice the musical difference in"Come Around Sundown".

    Music is a good example where commercial interests smother, and even strangle creativity.
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      Aug 17 2011: Yes Kings of Leon is a great example. They had the potential to become a new milestone in alternative rock music but they suddenly turned into another computerized music player.
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    Aug 24 2011: There is a lot of high quality music that's out there at that moment. Finding such really depends on your musical taste and what you can relate to as far as lyrics. Example- I'm a fan of rap. There are plenty of rap artist who are putting more meaning behind their lyrics, plus having the best beats produced in a while. Yes the sound of music changes along with time, but the message with in it pretty much stays similar in most cases. There's talent you can't deny out there...unless you aren't open to new music sound....or just stuck in the past.
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    Aug 24 2011: The thread is about to close I want to thank every one of you for your constructive contributions.
  • Aug 24 2011: It's not "cool" to have good quality music anymore. It's accepted by the general public. People who have real taste are hard to come by.
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    Aug 22 2011: the disco biscuits

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    Aug 21 2011: Erol,

    I, for one love the 'old stuff' and look and listen at some of todays chart music and cringe. I agree with some comments here already such as the fragmented industry and the money-hungry execs. Despite this, there is some great, great music out there just waiting to be found.

    Now, you went for 1975 - a vintage year. but i bet there was also some amount of dross recorded that year. But as time goes on we forget the rubbish and cherish the greats, it's what we do. That' s the problem with the 90s - it's still too recent, we still remember (insert crap band here!).

    Good topic!!!

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      Aug 22 2011: Thank you Martin
      I hope our kids will find anything usefull from 2010's to listen as I find from 70's.
  • Aug 20 2011: I would argue that you may not be finding something that hits you, but that i personally have found quite a few albums that i could listen to for years in the last decade.

    just a short list of some of my favorites of recent years if anyone is interested in checking them out

    Recovery - Eminem
    Mer de Noms - A Perfect Circle
    Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace - The Offspring
    With Teeth - Nine Inch Nails
    Hot Fuss - The Killers
    Release Therapy - Ludacris
    Tim McGraw & The Dancehall Doctors
    Burn Burn - Our Lady Peace

    Those albums are all masterpieces released in the last decade - in my opinion. If you want to hear artists expressing some real emotion these are my top recommedations
    • Aug 20 2011: The problem might just be a fracturing of the available markets. During the wonderful 70's, the somewhat OK 80's and the disapointing 90's (music wise) the media available to the public was basically AM, then slowly FM, Records and then slowly CD's.

      Now with iTunes, the internet and an exploding spectrum of targetted niche radio stations, it may just be that you can't find it.

      I listen to the local University radio station. They play music that would not ordinarily be played on the commercial bands and some of it is really good.
      There is also one or two internet stations that I frequent (Radio Paradise comes ot mind) that are programmed by the operator and not by a service. That provides a window into music you won't find many other places.

      The best thing to try is to go to local shows. The local music mag here in town (Edmonton AB) has pages of local acts at bars, community halls, night clubs and coffee houses.

      Something for everybody and nothing beats a live show.
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      Aug 20 2011: Hey there Ryan;

      First of all thank you for responding. And I really respected your taste of music ( eventhough I am not a big fan of rap and eminem) the rest were really inspiring albums espcially tim mcgraw's, killers' and surely nine inch nail's and maynard's ... Anyway The main thing that I wanted to point out is hidden right under your comment. You made a list of best albums in last decades...

      Here is a random pick date from the era I mentioned : 1975

      And the list of albums that were released in that specific ''year''

      pink floyd- wish you were here ( lets take this as coincidence)
      Led zeppelin- physical grafitti
      bob dylan- blood on the tracks
      bruce springsteen- born to run ( just random picks)
      queen -a night at the opera
      aerosmith- toys in the attic
      rush - fly by night
      frank zapppa- one size fits all

      and bunch of albums that I didnt mentioned, by bob marley, brian eno, patti smith, david bowie, ac/dc, black sabbath, elton john, fleetwood mac, grateful dead, ted nugent, jeff beck, the eagles...

      Now I dont say todays music is all bad. For example my best friend claims that Coldplay is ''maybe'' the best band of all times. And I really like them aside with muse, a perfect circle, killers etc they are not bad. U2's and Metallica's latest albums are alll good. But if you look at the lists we posted here, and compare them you will see that the the number of high quality albums are getting fewer each day as time goes by...
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    Aug 19 2011: Well there is always somebody out there making killer music, and you should do yourself a favor and check it out. Of course as we age we remember the old with fondness that new art cannot captor, not because it is intrinsically inferior, but because we have change. That said much of music is recorded (if that is the right word) digitally. Nothing more than 1 and 0. The fulness of a needle weaving a tapestry of sound together creates an acoustic depth that will be superior to CD, or MP3. Not bad for driving or jogging, but the idea of a couple of people hanging out listening to someone Itunes does not happen as people used to hang out in basements and listen to records. That said seeing live music is still in fashion.
  • Aug 18 2011: I'm sure someone faced with the birth of Rock & Roll, Jazz, or any other music genre, probably asked a similar question like; why don't we get a new Beethoven or Mozart?
    I think that the mediums change and the culture and environments in which the artists mind is bred change just as much. I don't believe the mind of most people changes that fast and that probably creates the "all past times were better" illusion which I think is false.
    Turn at things like Cirque Du Soleil, where a bit of almost every form of art is combined and mixed in ways never seen before, whether or not it appeals to your personal taste or mine it is to be recognized.
    Perhaps things change so fast in our era that the geniuses don't get as much time to perfect their art and rather have to reinvent it all the time.
    I have little doubt that commercial agendas play a rather destructive roles, although it is through that very same system that The Beatles, Depeche Mode and every other band you named came to be as known as they are.

    I do have good hope for the future though, I believe art is a natural form of expression, and that once commercial interests are done with a particular art, they will probably go on to something else and leave it as it started, but it will still be there, just maybe harder to find.
  • Aug 17 2011: These kinds of discussions are usually on the edge of turning into pointless debates regarding musical taste.
    I do, however, completely agree that music is going through a horrible demise when it comes to quality, especially in the past decades.

    It seems to me that there are two factors that caused the "downfall":

    1) Commercial agenda, as Allan has well put, is probably the force driving musicians to accommodate the market-needs and current trends, which is absolutely contrary to the concept of creating artwork. Hence, "art" created by following these guidelines does not even qualify to be called that way.

    2) There is an interesting paradox when it comes to today's popular music: It seems that listening to songs has became much less important than the visual aspect. People actually evaluate musicians through looks/style/the flashiness of their videos. While I am not denying the importance of the previous, wouldn't you agree that that isn't as important as the quality of the music itself?

    I am convinced that today there are a lot of extremely talented artists capable of creating high quality music worldwide. Unfortunately, they are rarely known to a crowd wider than a couple of hundreds of fans at best.
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      Aug 17 2011: on the contrary, i observe an explosion in quality music. in the 80's, i barely found good music, and often listened to the same albums over and over again.

      but thanks to the internet and the dj culture, i can find thousands of hours of good music now. but i can also tune in to radio stations with endless streams of musical treat.

      thank god the boney-m and abba era has ended!
      • Aug 20 2011: I agree. I recently had to under go a simple surgical procedure during which I was a wake but with little to do except listen to the music that the surgeon had selected. I had ABBA's Mama Mia stuck in my head for days. If he had have selected Rasputin from Bony-M I would have gotten up and walked (or hobbled) out.
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          Aug 22 2011: I am not a big fan of ABBA either ( pop music as a whole actually) but I would prefer any of their song to Lady Gaga or Beyonce who are their successors... If I go in to surgery listening to Kate Perry then I would give a really hard time to docs.
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      Aug 17 2011: Good point about the visual aspect. The litmus test for musical value is, if it is still worthy of our attention - even without the visuals. One of the major values of music for me, is that it stimulates my own 'visuals' in my own mind. The more vivid those visuals, the more compelling the music - and vice versa.

      Some of the best art - whether music, poetry or art itself - seems to come from artists who are in some way emotionally tortured, or who are able to match our own emotions with theirs, so we can relate to them. A window into an artist's life can so often also be our mirror. The music from the decades in Erol's list all seemed to possess that quality.

      You are right - No matter how hard we try, it always ends up reflecting personal taste!
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    Aug 17 2011: or it is just another "nostalgia is not what it once was" kinda topic
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      Aug 17 2011: thank you for your contribution