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Anger fuels productivity; Anger compels people; Anger turns passivity to purposeful action. Do these statements hold any validity?
i see people compelled by anger.
it works!
I want to understand what anger is,
can we transform anger to make living energetic.
I would like to see tranquillity become an integral part of anger
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Ed Schulte 50+
Re "if you are still not understanding what i am trying to articulate, take a moment to read this post again. :) "
Not really......I measured your LOC and it matches what you point to as "articulation" ( don't you mean position?), but some here are suggesting to you that there are higher levels of understanding to be accessed.
Re "emotions" they are the bodies reactions to mind / thought / ego ...thought is the domain of the ego...
Re: Hawkins ...yes I ref all 8 of his works and highly recommend them to those who can catch him. The LOC scale is NOT linear you missed that... I said it is a log scale ( to base 10) scale
Re: "Jesus at 700-800 " ...it would have been hard to miss place that Jesus, Buddha, Krishna are LOC 1000
biped since1991
definitely, i never suggested that anger be the prevalent compulsion.
there are many other emotions/ states that sustain one's "integrity" to a better extent.
when i look at Hawkins log scale, i feel like there is a certain truth to it.
i have seen/ interacted with people who would spend most of their time being shameful, or fearful, some angry, most of them don't function very well amongst a group. many move around with a sense of pride. Courage of course is more of a rarity, it needs the instance to emerge. but then again, i am only referring to courage the way i have come to understand it.
the people who situate themselves at the higher end of the scale tend to do better for themselves and others.
you and i might have seen that, we believe this scale holds a certain truth.
but think about Neutrality (250 on the scale), it is a great quality if understood correctly. the most occurrences of passivity are misunderstood for "Neutrality". maybe passivity has a little something to do with neutrality. i see passivity below desire (125).
for the purpose of an example; Jason Hinchliffe was fueled by anger and that led him to restrain a violent man in order to help a young girl. his action would calibrate at; 150 (Anger). anger compelled him, but you might wish to see it as Courage (200).
another passerby (who might have read DR. D. R. Hawkins books) would witness a girl getting beaten on the streets and they would calibrate themselves at 350 (Acceptance).
i find this difficult to understand.
to understand emotional states we have to understand how they play out among different individuals. the way we look at emotional states and the way they play out really varies. it is not static. Enlightenment can be 1000, it can also be a hundred.
Ed Schulte 50+
Re "would witness a girl getting beaten on the streets and they would calibrate themselves at 350 (Acceptance). "
well no 1) one does't "calibrate oneself" truth is
and the calibration of countering violence with violence is so low one may as well say LOC "25" iow down around the shaming energy. 2) There is the option of countering violence with "Presence" and that is an example what "courage" is on Hawkins scale. IOW the power causing the upward progress from 200 to 1000 is "Spiritual courage" where one chooses the alternative and there by "lifts-up" by countering the negative with True HUman potential..
II am seeing/hearing/feeling you catch the essence within the scale so will say that (as many people do) the unfortunate aspect to it is that Hawkins has to use the english language to convey it and English is very weak around such subjects.
Here is an example of what "courage" is the scale points to ...taken from the interpretation of the Chinese I Ching .....here they call "Te" the power of presence ..it is that awesome power of "Self" orwhich when developed about 500 to the level of 540 is "Unconditional Love". This has the power to settle down any situation without the use of violence.
The Awesome Power available in this hexagram stems from what the Taoists call your Te, a term not perfectly translated into English.
Roughly, it is your Integrity -- not in the Western sense of honor -- but more in the psychological definition of a full integration of Who You Are.
This Awesome Power is achieved only by fully embracing both the good and the bad, the strong and the weak, the masculine and the feminine -- all polarities within you.
Such self-knowledge spawns a Mastery tempered with the humility necessary to rein in and harness this Awesome Power.
biped since1991
new references, ideas.
thank you for sharing.
Colleen Steen 500+
I'm curious to know if you've changed your perception regarding this topic?
In a comment Aug. 13, 2011, you state:..."Anger is the acting out of the ego". It seemed that your argument indicated that anger was ONLY connected with the ego? I don't agree with that. I believe the ranting, raving, violent, abusive, destructive manifestations of anger are usually fueled by the ego, and there are different ways to use anger.
I agree with your statement above....which indicates that the power available, comes from full integration of who we are...achieved by fully embracing both the good and bad, strong, weak, masculine, feminine...all polarities within us. I believe that if we know all parts of our "self", they can be working together harmoniously.