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TIME TO END THE ISLAMOPHBIA.What happened in Norway is so sorrowful. Why did it happen? what is the solution of this problem?
The Islamophobia !!!!! WOW
Am I Frightening to that extent just because I am muslim ???
the next Halloween I will dress a t-thirt written on it" Iam muslim" !!!
When somebody kills innocent people just because he doesn't want people become muslims ,that situation becomes very dangerous
I think that ignorance about islam makes some people hate and become afraid from a peaceful religion
I think also that western governments play a major role in spreading the islamophobia through the media, wars"war in iraq and afghanistan",holywood films......etc
I think also the spacing between cultures,interests and the retardation of the Arab world have their impact
in other words the difference between the developed western world and the developing islamic world make an inferiority view to the islamic world and people in the west think that islam mean inferiority and old concepts"islam is an old age religion"
Let's change that condition by spreading 'LOVE ISLAM :)" inesated the "ISLAMOPHOBIA" that lead to terrorism and dangerous concepts
I hope I see the west as in EGYPT my home the home of the revolution when we said "muslim ,christian one hand"
we want to cooperate for making world more peaceful,beautiful,prosperous
and that done by uniting not hate
AL SLAAM ALIKUM "peace on you "
:)
Shokrullah Amiri 10+
Moderation and tolerance are peaceful and lovely.
Erol Toksoy 10+
So the problem my friend lies under people not on books.
Ahmed Hatem
this what I try to convince people with, islam is not the problem,the problem is in the bad muslims. ie, the extremists. you summarizes the conversation i one statement
for the muslims who scare you about hell, fire, torment after death
if they say that ,they love you and advise you, it 's for your good :)
Hubertus Schubert
Few (educated) people are 'fearful' of the Islam as a religion, rather the motivation of some Islamists, to make the believe system also the core of a political movement, that is exclusive in general for any Non-Islamist and this together with a lot of use of force, creates reason for fear.
In Europe we have seen similar tendencies some centuries ago with the Catholic Dogma, creating the wars by the cross, now some Christian Groups in the Western hemisphere use 'Islamophobia' as one of their tools to recrute.
However such approach works only, if there are indeed violent Islamists spreading fear rather globally.
The issue is not at all a black and white issue, right or wrong, I think this theme needs a lot of differentiation ...
todd prifogle
Ahmed Hatem
rights of individual in islam
relation to other religion
rights of women
that's not enough in a comment
so please, contact me on my e-mail "iahmed1992@gmail.com"
or via facebook my name is "ahmed hatem saladin elnashar"
and I will tell you anything you want.
thank you for your interest :)
Jason Kather 10+
Please answer the man's question and describe the "rights of the individual in islam, the individual of a different sect, of a different religion or nationality and please tell me of the rights of women" in this thread.
Human rights is a global issue. Addressing human rights violations may have a lot to do answering your question.
Ahmed Hatem
I will give you links :
individual rights:
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/2575/
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/2598/
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/2610/
wemon rights:
http://www.womeninislam.ws/en/women-right-islam.aspx
other religions rights:
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/374/viewall/
thanks for interest
Patrick McCarthy
A simple respect for another's culture, and belief system will go a long way to International harmony, but starts with "I."
When I know my own spiritual identity and the truth thereof, I will know the same about another none the less.
It all starts with ourselves.
Ahmed Hatem
yeah you are right
we should start from ourselves trying to be good and good example to the others
but the problem is the terrorist doesn't know he is a terrorist, he think he is angel,he is totally right and the others is wrong so,we want to change that ideology that doesn't lead to terrorism only.
thanks
Earl Shoop
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Does "ISLAMOPHOBIA" actually exist? Phobias are irrational fears. If I fear that the moon is going to fall on my house, you would agree, with most others, that my fear is irrational.
After 9-11, and so many other attacks on civilians around the world, it would be irrational to believe that there is no cause for fear. If members of this peaceful religion do not call for an end to such attacks, we are left with reason to suspect that most Muslims endorse the killings of infidels.
Could it be that there is no such peace movement because peaceful Muslims fear for their own safety? Would it be an irrational fear?
These realities (and many more) need to be considered in order to give ourselves a chance to understand, and be at peace with, each other. May you receive these thoughts with the compassion that I send them, and may we have true peace and love among all people.
Ahmed Hatem
well, I agree with all your thoughts
I can't deny the facts
yes,there are some muslims that consider you an infidel and they take it enough reason to kill and to kill onther muslim if he stop them
I divide muslims into 4 groups
the first don't care about religion and try to mimics the west culture and he is peaceful
the second understand islamic rules rightly so he behave well ,he takes what he feels appropriate from other culture like the west and he is peaceful and religious like me :)
the third is tough , he understand islam with quiet toughness, he is very religious and peaceful
the fourth is very very tough and understand islam incorrectly to the degree he become terrorist and dangerous
the fourth type is the problem, he discredit islam so people see islam is horrible ,irrational ,violent
and that one of the biggest causes of islamophobia ,although islam is a very peaceful loving religion
your fear is a rational but when your fear is to the bad muslims not to the religion itself
every religion and every area have bad guys , terrorism has no religion
I feel your thoughts and really want love and peace spread among all people ,that's why I started this conversation ,
thank you ,
each year and you are good on the occasion of Ramadan
al slaam alikum
sorry for my english :D
Jason Kather 10+
The vast majority of Westerners can not understand the idea of martyrdom. We see this act as completely irrational due to not being able to understand it. Many think that only a brain washed individual would be capable of going through with such an act. Westerners are taught that we can not rationalize with an irrational mind.
The ideas of Abrogation and Taqiyya threaten Westerners. We are told that many Muslims are taught that "The Verse of the Sword" is an abrogating verse and basically nullifies the peaceful verses. Even if only 5% of Muslims believe this, that works out to at least 7.5 million Muslims that view a single war verse as more important than over 120 peace verses. Taqiyya gives Muslims the "Holy License" to lie to their enemy to protect them and their religion, so even if only 5% of Muslims feel that non Muslims are their enemy, that number is in the millions.
Sharia is another concept that Westerners can't understand. Most Westerners view Sharia Law as something that was created in the Middle Ages and should have been left in the Middle Ages. The concept of a man being allowed to beat his wife if she does not follow his orders or even kill her if he catches her cheating on him (yet she has can not do either to him) is not understandable to Westerners. We don't understand death by stoning. Death for Apostasy is seen as completely irrational. Fatwas being issued by Muslim clerics are often viewed as a danger to any Westerner who might choose to use our freedom of speech to disagree with Mohammed or Islam.
Islam is judged by the fruit it bears. Westerners are scared by the rotten fruit.
Ahmed Hatem
sorry for delay,
i was quite busy and your comment needs to be attentive
Frist,we have no Pope because our central figure is not a any person could die at any time and changes to onther with changes in thoughts and affected by personal life,pressure from outside,policy,he can have concepts different from his former
our central figure is Quran,Hadith,Tafsir for the major 4 emams and other famous emams
those are stable and for all times, stable doesn't mean rigid
for example, we are praying 5 times a day, never becomes 4
we don't need Pope because every muslim is Pope
what is the different between you and a Pope ,he doesn't have anything more than you
you have a brain ,hands ,feets as him!!!!!
why don't you contact god directly???
every muslim calls god directly and god listen and responds to him.
what s the special in Pope to call god and the others don't??
the fouth group is the famous yeah,
that's the problem of your media,the west media always focus on bad things of muslims to be along with its policy.
has its impact yeah,
Always Evil is like that. when you plant a tree and care for it it grows slowly for years and its impact is not obvious but when you cut a tree the impact appears
and I tries now to make the good muslims appear.
second, martyrdom isn't suicide
martyrdom is a great thing has relation to jihad that I think the west understand it wrong
when you fight against an invader that occupy your country or you fight for freedom,and against Injustice,Corruption,Persecution,,,,,etc
and if you die during that it's called martyrdom
that is completely different from suicide bombers and all that madness
Third,Quran is one thing and can't be divided,doesn't contrary with it self
the verse of sword to the criminals,the Oppressors,corrupt
the verse of peace to all even the former if they become good or they want peace
and if you look in the islamic history you will see that clearly.
I will complete in other comment
Ahmed Hatem
the arabian word"التقوي" is pronounced taqwa
it's on google translate "Piety"
I don't understand ""to lie to their enemy to protect them and thier religion"
fouth, the concept that islam or sharia or tafsir is created in themiddle ages is wrong
actually christianty is older than islam
Jesus is older than Muhammad
it doesn't make sense, the principles whatever how old are they for all times
the moon is the moon it will be the moon in the future
the chair is chair and it will be chair,it will not be a table and it is always used for sitting!!!!!
the middle ages you say when the muslims were the greatest and the west was in the ages of retardation and the islamic
they were like america now
because they actually follow the sharia carefully!!
if we follow it carefully rightly we will become excellent
but we left it or part of it so we are now weak, miserable
well I will complete in anther time ,
but i don't like the last statement
you have the right to speak what you want but politely
we respect each other respect the religion of the other ,talk freely but respectfully
respectability is a principle i and you should aware and behave
Islam is a divine religion that you should respect !!!!
Muhammad Aizat Zainal Alam 30+
Ahmed Hatem
Revek did that because he didn't want islam to be spreaded in Europe and that is the reason of this ideology???
he was afraid of islam or he hate islam and muslims , islam is not the cause definitely
that's it
I hope you understand my point of view
Muhammad Aizat Zainal Alam 30+
Ahmed Hatem
Anders Behring Brivik
sorry for misunderstanding
Siyuan Chen
The Distinction of Religion is not culpable.It's the miscreants who utilize it as a excuse the downright BAD murderers.
Salim Solaiman 50+
But look in to the countries known to be muslim world , what's happeneing there. What's the situation of human right , women right for decade after decade. Where more muslims are killed in the hand of muslim every year? Which countries are clinging to archaic laws? Who made them to do so? Please ask yourself.......
With all the respect to recent revolution in Egypt , I would like to say when you wrote " EGYPT my home the home of the revolution" it gives a notion that no revolution ever happen in the world before it happened recently in Egypt, that's not true.
Yes during movement "muslim ,christian one hand" was your slogan but what's going on aftermath, or just some days before during last X mass what happened in Egypt with Christian community ?
Also follow here in TED discussion on Islam and you will see how discussion moved and moves on......
In this era of great connectivity, let's connect with each other globally on more common grounds, keeping religion on very personal domain............
For thousands of years human civilization has got enough experience with Religion , what that can give once it goes in to political / social / community arena
Ahmed Hatem
it is the first time that non muslims got hurt due to the islamophobia in apeacful country
so, the situation is getting worth time after time and the concept became wider by hurting people who didn't refuse islam and its spreading in Europe
there are so many incidents
look what happened in Bosna and Kosovo
what happens to muslims who live in the west especially Europe
the egyptian girl that killed months ago in Germany
Head cover in France,
Minarets in Switzerland......etc
look at these links and please read them they are so informative
http://translate.google.com.eg/translate?hl=ar&langpair=ar|en&u=http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/882D4428-1D27-46BF-B469-FE22F45F9223.htm
http://translate.google.com.eg/translate?hl=ar&langpair=ar|en&u=http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/EXERES/CBAD8783-2300-4A4D-BF5B-BBEFCA04C4B8.htm
the muslim world is not only iraq and afghanistan and these countries are in war !!! thers is a Sedition
sorry I didn't mean that at all , I respect all the revolutions ,we learned from them ,we started after Tunisia
there were great revolutions all over the world , the words deceives me
we can't live without our religion ,Islam enters in every single part of our life
Islam is a religion,civilization,a way to live
if muslims believe in the right islamic rules they will be very great in all aspects of life
Salim Solaiman 50+
You know what was the target of West & Media just before the fall of Soviet Union in the name of "Perestroika" ?
It was socialism & ghost of communism. Right that time they were friend of Islam. Look back in to the history of formation Talibaan & Al Qaida.....
So it's not something against any religion , it's game of GREED driven economy. WAR is profitable game for them. So they need some opponent. Once so called socialist countries were around in East Europe, Soviet Union, Asia & Latin America that was their target. As those vanished due to well planned espionage & media acitivity they needed a new opponent , suddenly the so called muslim world became their target.
Thanks for your links , I will go through by this time please look in to the links below to understand who kills more muslims almost everyday and where
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCDWz0JTFqA
http://www.pmln.org.pk/media/nd_1598_bomb-blast-kills-four-near-charsadda-mosque.pmln
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/28/AR2010052800686.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsbVWgaKkdE
I don't want overwhelm this post with links you can find yourself loads of those. That's the reason mentioned not to pick and choose one or the other incidence of west. There is saying "when your one finger points someone else , at least 3 other fingers points whom "?
As you pasted Mustafa Akyol's talk thought you don't consdier "head scarf" being more cultural not religious attire , but found you consider that as religious.
My point is very clear about that, if someone values her/his culture or religion more than anything then they have to live where those are valued. If they decided to live somewhere else they have to value that cultur a bit.
I saw life in Saudi , how they make everyone to follow their culture otherwise punish barbarically.
On personal level you anyone can believe "Islam is way to Live" that's fine, problem arises when it is forced to others.
Ahmed Hatem
yes you are right,
the socialism and communism were the targets of the west during the cold war because the west wanted to discredit his enemy ,they helped Talibaan & Al Qaida against soviet
and when america entered the war in Iraq and Afghanistan they discredit ed Islam
I agree with you, Muslims get killed by bad muslims
but not more they got killed by the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and in Gaza
read my reply on Mr,Earl comment in my classification of muslims
thank you for the saying ,it's pretty good
I just chose the Norway incident to start but I don't accuse the west only on forming the islamophobia ,bad muslims also accused,
for the Mystafa Akyol's talk :
head coverinf is order in islam and must be done but face covering is not an order it is optional it is called "sonnah" so any one force woman to wear a face covering he become tough and over the limit as in Saudi
but praying is an order and who doesn't pray he will get punished but not barbarically
I have friend in Saudi and told me the punishment is not so severe.
I don't agree with you in :
when some one lives in a society differs from his culture he should act like the society and leave his culture no, he take from the culture what can be appropriate to him
France is wrong when ban muslims from wear face covering ,we don't force christian to wear head covering in egypt !!!!! every country should respect the religion of its people however,there is a minority.
Islam is a way to live and no body is forced to be a muslim or live like a muslim(that doesn't interfere with the law of punishment in Saudi).
that is my principle .
thank you and each year you are good on the occasion of Ramadan
happy Ramadan
al slaam alikum
Salim Solaiman 50+
Pushing someone in public as per wish can be a barbaric act to someone. Interesting thing is that Saudi's treats best the Americans, then Europeans, then GCC countries ... then rest.
So what ever they say against WEST their practice is just opposite.Don't understand why people from Arab world so anti-west but love to be immigrant there !!!
You are medical student , I see , you know about the need of cross matching of an organ to be transplanted to the host body. I see immigrants something like that. If someone want to immgrate somewhere they must take care of that cross matching themselves before going there.
Nobody is making them bound to go and live there to face all so called anti-islamic law. If they really give priotity to Islam and it's regulation they shouldn't be greedy for a good living standard and go there. If they go logically something else is more important to them then their Islamic values. Thats my view.
Well who decides, who is good muslim and who is bad? Already there are more 3/4 dozen sects with in muslim population and each one believse all other are dead wrong, not only that they are all time ready to kill others. So to erase Islamophobia as you mentioned Muslim themselves need to work , no body else.
Yes Egypt doesn't make any one to follow islamic law but Saudi does , they whip ( but definitely not US or EU people it applies to others country like my country). Thats the extent of racism?
Are you aware what Saudi did in Bahrain to stop people movement ? These are the things painting picture of Muslim world.
Still now whole ME is friend of West & US.
How much military AID Egypt got during last 2/3 decades just have look. Best wishes
Ahmed Hatem
I checked that and you are right, religious police is so barbaric,and there are differences in treatment from area to area in Saudi.
people immigrate to the west because of money,jobs
they are forced due to financial problems
if it like tissue transplantation, we can give the west tablets to reduce their rejection to muslims huh huh :D :D ( i am kidding) and it is a good cure,
but there are muslims in US, Europe along time ago and they had the nationality.they are minority, but part of the community
yes muslims are not compatible to each other but there are a right majority,
and Muhammed said that muslims will divide into so many groups and the right group os the one who follow him and his friends (people around Muhammed).
that case is in every religion, as christianity , christian are not one group
I think that US,Europe should give their muslims thier all rights and that get along with freedom and human rights ,there is no thing they loose if they do that or Democracy doesn;t admit the rights of minority!!!!
What saudi did in bahrain is due to clashes between Sunnis and Shiites , I did not search in that situation but I dislike Shiites. Although I am not with Saudi.
Egypt military aid is a political case and everybody know that
no body knows that aid will continue after revolution
thank you for making the debate going on :)
Rufus Giroux
Islam can be a peaceful religion, when practiced by peaceful people. It certainly has a history showing that, and that muslims are capable of the same accomplishments in arts, sciences, etc. as anyone else of whatever religion.
The hate and fear are directed at those who are not peaceful, who commit acts that appear regularly in our daily information input.
My understanding of the situation in the muslim world increased dramatically when heard that the Q'ran could not be translated, and must be read in the original language. Since illiteracy is rampant in much of that part of the world, in ANY language, that means the general population cannot see for themselves what is actually written. That opens the door to creative interpretations by those with ulterior motives. And, if that isn't bad enough, their religious leaders, their imams, cannot themselves read the actual text! They can be deceived just as easily.
Christianity is rife with different interpretations of the bible and its contents have been translated, at least in part, into 2500 languages. It's a little harder to grossly manipulate the contents (although some try) when it is so easy to see for yourself what is written.
Ignorance about Islam certainly needs to be overcome, but there is as much to be done in that world as there is in the western world. It won't happen overnight.
Rufus Giroux
Islam can be a peaceful religion, when practiced by peaceful people. It certainly has a history showing that, and that muslims are capable of the same accomplishments in arts, sciences, etc. as anyone else of whatever religion.
The hate and fear are directed at those who are not peaceful, who commit acts that appear regularly in our daily information input.
My understanding of the situation in the muslim world increased dramatically when heard that the Q'ran could not be translated, and must be read in the original language. Since illiteracy is rampant in much of that part of the world, in ANY language, that means the general population cannot see for themselves what is actually written. That opens the door to creative interpretations by those with ulterior motives. And, if that isn't bad enough, their religious leaders, their imams, cannot themselves read the actual text! They can be deceived just as easily.
Christianity is rife with different interpretations of the bible and its contents have been translated, at least in part, into 2500 languages. It's a little harder to grossly manipulate the contents (although some try) when it is so easy to see for yourself what is written.
Ignorance about Islam certainly needs to be overcome, but there is as much to be done in that world as there is in the western world. It won't happen overnight.
Ahmed Hatem
I agree with you in the point that incentive was not animosty towards islam,
but it was happened due to the islamophobia
and it is the first time that non muslims got hurt due to the islamophobia in apeacful country
so, the situation is getting worth time after time and the concept became wider by hurting people who didn't refuse islam and its spreading in Europe
I choose that incedient becase it was not from along time ago and had a turning point
Quran is translated to many many languages to be understanded but if you want to worship you must read it in arabic
for example you can read it in english to understand its meaning but when you pray you say it in rabic and it is not a problem
http://www.guidedways.com/index.php
that site provide Quran with many languages
yeah, it won't happen overnight and I am trying
thanks